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Gosh Anne I could go on all night about there lives in showbiz, basically if you type in Dolly Harmer on google (real name Sarah Elizabeth Caron )and click on I think its the top one that comes up, well thats my 3x great aunt, although it doesnt give you all the details about her life only some of, mainly about the Pantos she was in, she was Pierre Carons daughter the one born in 1830s, her father was a comedien in his time amongst other things, her mother was a violinist, her two brothers were violinist one the Head Violinist in the Halle Orchestra in Manchester in 1880 to 1890. other members of the family did bits and bobs in the Music Halls aswell as their spouses. Dolly was also in the( black and white) Blackhand gang film in the 1930s as Mrs Robinson, just a little insight into my hard to follow family! Marie

I think you are going to have to ask for 1841 look-ups for some answers. I am intrigued what branch of show biz were they in? I could swap some coal miners.

Thankyou Teresa, another one to check out, gosh I am going to be busy arent I? Marie : )

Elizabeth's baptism maybe? from IGI ELIZABETH CARON Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 31 MAR 1860 Christening: 22 APR 1860 Saint Peters, Stepney, London, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: HENRY JOHN CARON Family Mother: ELIZABETH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C042681 1839 - 1876 0579646 Film 6903616 Film Sheet: 00

Thankyou Teresa, I do think they are all connected as there were loads of them, I will have to check on what everyone has been fantastic enough to have given me. They will definitely give me something to research for the next few weeks at least! Thankyou loads! Marie

any good? 1871 England Census Elizabeth Caron abt 1860 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter Hackney St John London Henry J Caron abt 1835 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Head Hackney St John London Mary E Caron abt 1858 Mile End Old Town, Middlesex, England Daughter Hackney St John London Mary Smythson abt 1837 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Sister Hackney St John Lon

Oh gosh another Sarah Caron, I have loads of them aswell, this gets more difficult by the second, so maybe he is an uncle or a cousin seems a bit of an age gap to his brother! not sure what to do now! Thankyou you are brill even if I am confused! Marie: )

Just found sons birth cert, he was born Pierre Joseph Caron in 1859 Lambeth Square London. Gosh this family are so difficult, they all have simular or same names and they all changed them went they went on the stage, and used there stage names on censuses aswell! but I found Henrys as a witness to the wedding of Pierre and Margaret would you believe! wondered if he was a brother or cousin. Marie: )

1851 birthplace mistranscribed as Bethgreen Francis Caron abt 1850 London City Bethnal Green Middlesex View Record Henry Caron abt 1813 Beth Green, Middlesex, England Head Bethnal Green Middlesex View Record Sarah Caron abt 1823 London City Wife Bethnal Green Middlesex View Record Sidwell Snell abt 1839 London City Visitor Bethnal Green Middlesex

Hi Anne, gosh you are working hard for me, its appreciated! Right I have a Pierre Caron who married a Margaret Perry/Perrey in London, not sure exactly where, the ages fit, so thats a start and yes they had a son born about 1859/60 so it looks like the right family. Not sure about Belgium though, that sounds interesting! always thought they might have been French. Thankyou Marie

Is this Pierre Margaret Caron abt 1829 Holborn, Middlesex, England Wife Southwark St George Surrey View Record Pierre Caron abt 1825 Hackney, Middlesex, England Head Southwark St George Surrey View Record Pierre Caron abt 1860 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Southwark St George Surrey Did the family come from Belgium?

Mary I found their marriage on the freebmd listings, but it doesnt give a spouses name unfortunately. Thankyou Marie (who is totally confused now)

Henrys father could have been called Joseph but not a hundred percent sure as he could be the brother or cousin of Pierre (Peter) Caron who is in my direct line (4xgreat grandad to be precise) I am trying to establish two things, one if he is the brother and not cousin of Pierre and also the name of Henrys Wife if possible anyway. Thankyou Marie

No Surrey connections as yet that I know of, most I have at the moment have come from Bethnal Green Middlesex, but who knows! Thankyou Marie

The one I have definitely has a daughter called Elizabeth on the 1881 census, dont know of any others as yet so now I am confused! haha I will have to check a little more in my notes and see what I can find. Thankyou Marie: )

I found this one for 1851. Charles Caron abt 1837 St Leonards, Middlesex, England Son Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record Eliza Caron abt 1846 St George, Surrey, England Daughter Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record George Caron abt 1839 St Leonards, Middlesex, England Son Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record Henry Caron abt 1807 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Head Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record Henry Caron abt 1835 St Leonards, Middlesex, England Son Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record John Caron abt 1844 St George, Surrey, England Son Southwark Christ Church Surrey Bethnal greenis the birth place. Hackney was where they were living in 1871. View Record Louisa Caron abt 1816 St Leonards, Middlesex, England Wife Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record Louise Caron abt 1841 St George, Surrey, England Daughter Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record Margann Caron abt 1850 Christ Church, Surrey, England Daughter Southwark Christ Church Surrey View Record Thomas Caron abt 1848 St Sampson, Surrey, England Son Southwark Christ Church Surrey

Just had a thought, at first I thought it was, same names and ages etc, but mine were born Bethnal Green, and yours says Hackney, could they still be the same ones? sounds daft I know but I am not well up on the geography of London in those days. If they are then the mother must have died not long after their marriage or during childbirth maybe. Thankyou Marie

Hi do you know parents names. did find these marriages in 1855 bethnal green Possible wifes, Elizabeth Catherine Barnes, or Elizabeth Hill Mary

Is this the one? Elizabeth Caron abt 1860 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter Hackney St John London View Record Henry J Caron abt 1835 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Head Hackney St John London View Record Mary E Caron abt 1858 Mile End Old Town, Middlesex, England Daughter Hackney St John London 1891 View Record Edith Caron abt 1884 Hackney, London, England Daughter Hackney London View Record Henry Caron abt 1837 Bethnal Green, London, England Head Hackney London View Record May Caron abt 1851 St Luke, London, England Wife Hackney London

So sorry, yes I can, he was born in 1837 was age 44 born in Bethnal Green, also thats where he married aswell in 1855. He was listed as living in London Middlesex on the 1881 census Thankyou ,Marie