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Am ordering both of those now as I type!!! Will let you know up date- in about 3 weeks cos that's how long it takes!! Thanks everyone Deb x

Here is Eliza Amy's birth cert details too: Name: Eliza A Gardner Year of Registration: 1866 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Chelsea (1841-1981) County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 212 Name: William Alfred Findlay Oliver Year of Registration: 1862 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: City Of London County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 63 When requesting the birth certs, make sure you also tell them the facts you know for sure, i.e. William's father's name, and occupation so they can double check it is the right one.

William is definitely more elusive! I have found a possible in 1871, but father William is a Seaman. Here are the details in case they are useful. I don't think we'll be able to prove anything without the birth cert. I'm pretty sure you've got the right details, there can't be many with than name!!! Good luck! PS, please keep in touch and let me know how you get on! Mags

Can't wait!! All gets very confusing. Think the Eliza is right- still not sure for Will.

1881: William? Michael Mac Gee abt 1831 Ireland Lodger Southwark Christchurch William Oliver abt 1862 London, London, Middlesex, England Lodger Southwark Christchurch Cordelia A. Walton abt 1834 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Head Southwark Christchurch Eliza Amy Eliza Gardener abt 1827 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Head Chelsea Amy Gardner abt 1866 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Daughter Chelsea Henry Gardner abt 1862 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Son Chelsea Some leads to follow

Thanks. That's the one as Emily 1895 is my g. Nan.Does that help with anything now. Must be hot cos my brain isn't working much!!!!

1891: Albert Oliver abt 1896 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Alfred Oliver abt 1891 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Amy Oliver abt 1867 Chelsea, London, England Wife Deptford St Paul Edward Oliver abt 1900 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Emily Oliver abt 1895 New Cross, London, England Daughter Deptford St Paul Florence Oliver abt 1889 Pemlico, London, England Daughter Deptford St Paul Frederick F Oliver abt 1888 Pemlico, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Harry Oliver abt 1898 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul William A Oliver abt 1862 London City Head Deptford St Paul William I Oliver abt 1886 Beckton, London, England Son Deptford St Paul

Is this him in 1901? Wife Eliza Amy going by just Amy? Albert Oliver abt 1896 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Alfred Oliver abt 1891 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Amy Oliver abt 1867 Chelsea, London, England Wife Deptford St Paul Edward Oliver abt 1900 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Emily Oliver abt 1895 New Cross, London, England Daughter Deptford St Paul Florence Oliver abt 1889 Pemlico, London, England Daughter Deptford St Paul Frederick F Oliver abt 1888 Pemlico, London, England Son Deptford St Paul Harry Oliver abt 1898 New Cross, London, England Son Deptford St Paul William A Oliver abt 1862 London City Head Deptford St Paul William I Oliver abt 1886 Beckton, London, England Son Deptford St Paul

Hadn't gone there on 1901. Truth is I'm having trouble with spouse Eliza Amy aswell. Her father too was deceased on marriage cert. and have 2 possibilties for her on 1881.

I take it this is the marriage: William Alfred F Oliver 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Chelsea Volume: 1a Page: 573 bride either Louisa White or Eliza Amy Gardner. What does William say is his age and birthplace on 1901 census?

I assume a travelling salesman. Will junior married Eliza Amy Gardner in Nov. 1884 in Chelsea. However she calls herself Amy Eliza on my g. grandad's birth cert.

OK, one of these I guess! Eliza Amy Gardner 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Chelsea (1841-1981) Thomas Haggis 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Chelsea (1841-1981) William Alfred F Oliver 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Chelsea (1841-1981) Louisa White 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Chelsea (1841-1981) Thomas Haggis married a Louisa so presumably your William married Eliza?

A traveller? Presumably a travelling salesman???

If you add his marriage details, who he married etc, this will help us find him in a later census, it might make it easier to trace him back? Otherwise, you should obtain his birth cert. and then post the details from that and we can have another look!

Wanted to try and get a match on census before ordering a birth cert. so that I would konw it was right one.

Occupation for Will senior is a traveller. Not sure of the occupation of the Will mentioned on 1881 census.

Marriage cert. dated Nov. 16th 1884 and he states he is 23- so most likely 1861

You could try tracking the 3 suspects and seeing which of them is still alive in 1891 (after the 1884 marriage). Or you could get junior's birth cert which would give his mother's name. What is William senior's occupation on the marriage cert and does this tally with any of the chaps in 1881?

William A.F. was born in 1861, don't know father's date of birth. Only have the info from marriage cert. not birth.

Is this his birth? Getting his birth certificate will help then you'll have his mothers name also. Births Jun 1862 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OLIVER William Alfred Findlay London City 1c 63