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Um, have emailed the person with the other tree. Hes connected via the Alfred so he could be looking at the wrong tree altogether if theres two about. Im connected via the Edward Coggins though, so the Edith is definatly a connection to me because i already had her. It would just be interesting to know if she did have these few extra children prior to marriage that i didnt have before. Dont you just hate it when you really want to find one census result and its the only one you cant find. LOL These things were sent to try us, as they say. x Thanks Deb

Just wondering if two Alfred Sharman Found this on 1881 - living with Ives family Alfred Sharman abt 1866 Warwickshire, England Step Son Kirkby in Ashfield 1881 presume you have this already Name: Barnes Sharman Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where Born: Shotwell, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Lichfield St Michael County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: St John St Occupation: Ostler (Inn) Source information: RG11/2773 Registration district: Lichfield Sub registration district: Lichfield ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 51 Page: 10 GSU Number: 1341664

hiya again, hmmmnn, makes you wonder how much research this 3rd party has done, i mean I could be wrong, he could have all info from certs, we'll know that the census isnt exactly right all of the time. I would be very cautious with this info, If it were me, i'd check and recheck, or ask him if he's SURE his info is correct, otherwise you could be going in wrong diection altogether, maybe, worth getting a cert or two, if its really a connection to you???? Julie

Julie, Thats confusing because this other persons tree has Alfred down as marrying a Martha Underhill (1867) and having William (1890), Walter (1893) and Edith (c1895). There completly different from those you got. He thinks he married Martha and the children were born in Coventry, Warwickshire. x

hiya debs, got alfred in 1901 but i bet you already got this View Record Alfred Sharman abt 1866 Shotterwall, Warwickshire, England Head Sowe Warwickshire View Record Eida Sharman abt 1892 Foleshill, Warwickshire, England Daughter Sowe Warwickshire View Record Henry Sharman abt 1890 Sowe, Warwickshire, England Son Sowe Warwickshire View Record Martha Sharman abt 1868 Berkswell, Warwickshire, England Wife Sowe Warwickshire View Record Walter Sharman abt 1894 Sowe, Warwickshire, England Son Sowe Warwickshire julie thanks for hoping it will be cooler when my daughter arrives, just wish me feet werent so swollen Ouch!!!

So it looks like the children do exist there just all missing on the 1871 for some reason. Perhaps they were with her parents instead of living with the new father in law. But that does explain why he cant be found either. Thanks all,

Also on the IGI EDITH SHARMAN Female -Event(s): Birth: Christening: 24 JAN 1841 Shotteswell, Warwick, England Parents: Father: RICHARD SHARMAN Mother: ANNE Siblings............... 2. EDWARD SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 27 AUG 1854 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 3. MARY ANNE SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1847 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 4. EMMA SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 29 JAN 1843 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 5. GEORGE SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 09 FEB 1844 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 6. HENRY RICHARD SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 21 SEP 1851 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 7. WILLIAM SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 12 FEB 1837 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 8. THOMAS SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1835 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 9. THOMAS SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 26 MAY 1839 Shotteswell, Warwick, England Reg

And two more............... 2. MARY SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 23 MAY 1865 Shotteswell, Warwick, England 3. BARNS HIORNS SHARMAN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 26 MAY 1862 Shotteswell, Warwick, England Reg

birth Barnes Hierns Sharman 1862 Apr-May-Jun Banbury Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire

From the IGI.............. ALFRED SHARMAN Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 23 MAY 1865 Shotteswell, Warwick, England Parents: Mother: EDITH SHARMAN Reg

marriage View Record Edward Coggins 1867 Jul-Aug-Sep Banbury Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire View Record Edith Sharman 1867 Jul-Aug-Sep Banbury Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire 1851 census Edith Sharman abt 1841 Shotswell, Warwickshire, England Daughter Shotswell Warwickshire Nothing else at the moment.

Sorry Reg, Couldnt tell you where he was in the 1861, this is what i have: Edward Coggins (1838 Radway/Tysoe, Warwickshire): Married Elizabeth Attwood (b 1841? d 1866) in 1862 and had 1) Sarah Ann Coggins (b 1863 Warmington, Warks) 2) Emma Elizabeth Coggins (b 1866 Warmington, Warks) Married Edith Sharman (b 1841? d 1902) in 1967 and had 1) Emma Coggins (b 1868 Warmington, Warks) 2) Mary Jane Coggins (b 1872 Warmington, Warks) 3) James Coggins (b 1875 Warmington, Warks) But Edith apprently had: 1) Barnes Sharman (b 1862 Shotteswell, Warks) 2) Mary Sharman (b 1865 Shotteswell, Warks) 3) Alfred Sharman (b 1866 Shotteswell, Warks) These are the ones i'd like to find / prove. Apparently the person whos tree they were in said they were illegitimate, so i presume she didnt marry the father(s). x Deb

Edith in 1861.................I hope!! : Edith Sharman Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Servant Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Lolworth, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Horley County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Source information: RG9/915 Registration district: Banbury Sub-registration district: Swalcliffe ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 45 Page: 14 Reg

So you have no first-hand knowledge of Edith's children....is that right? She should, presumably, appear on 1861 under the name Sharman............or had she perhaps also been married before? If you haven't got the marriage cert, I think you may find it very helpful, as it would give you father's details, at least............. Reg

My mistake.........read it wrong!! Sorry about that......... Is this the first marriage? Name: Edward Coggins Year of Registration: 1862 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Southam County: Northamptonshire, Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 899 Only one female and two males on page........... Reg

Just trying to establish some continuity....hope that's OK with you. Is this Edward in 1861? Ann Boddington abt 1834 Somerton, Oxfordshire, England Wife Farnborough Warwickshire View Record Seth Boddington abt 1830 Souldern, Oxfordshire, England Head Farnborough Warwickshire View Record William J Boddington abt 1857 Farnborough, Warwickshire, England Son Farnborough Warwickshire View Record Edward Coggins abt 1838 Rakey, Warwickshire, England Servant Farnborough Warwickshire View Record Harriett Webb abt 1846 Rakey, Warwickshire, England Servant Farnborough Warwickshire Reg

Barnes is a possible first name for one of the children, not a surname. Someone else has them one there tree as her illegitimate children, but i dont know how they got there information. I only knew of one illegitimate child (Alfred 1866). I was trying to prove whether they were right about the others (Barnes 1862, Mary 1865). I thought the 1871 would be the best place to start. Thanks Kath and Reg and good luck Julie (hopefully it will have cooled down when you get nearer the time). :)

hiya Deb, i cant see them at all on 71, but did find edward on 41 &51, Good luck with baby, I too am expecting, but am nearly 32 weeks atm, this heat is killing me LOL will have another hunt Julie

If this is the marriage.....where did you get the name Barnes? Edward Coggins 1867 Jul-Aug-Sep Banbury Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire View Record Edith Sharman 1867 Jul-Aug-Sep Banbury Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire Reg

Thanks, Edward was married before Edith, but that wife died prior to the 1871. So wondering whether Ediths illigitamate children show up with the new couple in 1871 census. I presume there not his children, because he was still with his first wife when they were born. They would have only been 9, 6 and 5 when the 1871 census came out though, so i presume they still lived with there mother and her new husband at that time. They'd obviously gone off on there own by the time the next census (1881 came out). Any one find them for me? Thanks,