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hi again thank you for looking up those records for me your right how to tell??? who knows, thanks for your help Ann x

Possible Margaret Rayments from 1984-2004 death index, though how you'd know which {if any] was yours... Name: Jean Margaret Rayment Birth Date: 22 Nov 1927 Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 2003 Age at death (estimated): 75 Registration District: Watford Inferred County: Hertfordshire Register Number: B55D Entry number: 192 Name: Margaret Martha Rayment Birth Date: 2 Feb 1913 Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 2003 Age at death (estimated): 90 Registration District: Redbridge Inferred County: Essex Register Number: D9 Entry number: 99 Name: Rose Margaret Rayment Birth Date: 20 Dec 1913 Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1998 Age at death (estimated): 84 Registration District: Cockermouth Inferred County: Cumberland Register Number: 23A Entry number: 131

i have no-one else to ask my mother only remebers certain things so most of the tree i have was what my sister remembered my nan saying, I will contact the Newham Registry Office also. Ann

Don't know if you'll get any joy but you could try contacting Newham Register office (has the West Ham records) Passmore Edwards Building 207 Plashet Grove East Ham London E6 1BT Tel +44 (0)208 471 4685

I know this sounds daft, but how certain are you that these two are siblings of your grandfather? Maybe they were cousins? Have you got no one in the family you can ask for further info?

hi sam, i know that she did get married but they use to call him to-jo why i dont know but my mum said that his surname was Rayment? I have searched but cant see anything?

I dont suppose you know if Margaret married or what her name became??

Hi Sam I have searched on ancestry for the names but it comes up with nothing at all?? I do know that Robert went to australia but i dont know if either are still alove or not, the norman/potter side of my family have worked out to the be the hardest to get info on. Ann

just a thought, but are these people still alive??? if not how about looking at recent death records which may give birth details also

Hi Nell Yep i checked all the page and checked the where they have just Female/Male and i could not see them. Im at a loss as my Mother knew them growing up and even went on holiday with one in the late1960's Ann

so you have Rose Norman 1914 Joseph R 1920 William Charles 1922 Ronald Archibald Norman 1932 all registered in West Ham. My guess is that Rose would be the eldest, born a year after the marriage which is fairly usual. There's a gap between Rose and Joseph which is probably because dad was away during WW1. But there's 10 years between Wiliam and Ronald, so I think it most likely that the missing children were born then. As all the others were registered in West Ham, I think its most likely these two were as well. When you checked the index pages did you include any 'male' or 'female' births without any first names, and scroll down to check any added entries at the bottom of the page? nell

The last child was born in 1932 in the 1st Q his name was Ronald Archibald Norman. The first child that i found was Rose Norman 1914, then Joseph R born 1920, then William Charles in 1922 (this was my grandfather). They were all register under West HAm East London.

No there not my mothers siblings they are her Aunts and Uncles, the pic that we had was taken when my mum was in her early 20's so around 1970.

OK How many children do you know of - and when were they all born? You say Ronald was the last born - when and where was that?

If the parents married in 1913, any children born before that would be registered under mother's maiden name, I guess. nell

Hi Reg Yes i have a marriage cert number the parents were married in 1913 3Q Rose E Potter to a Richard Norman in West Ham Thanks Ann

Roughly when do you think the photos were taken and how old did they look? A child born 1910 would be 22 years older than one born 1932.

Hi Nell, Yes i have really looked through all of those years to much time on my hands what with being pregnant!! I know they exsisted as my mother had pictures of them that i remember from a child but as for there records banging on a brick wall arghhh. Ann

Would the 'missing' two be the eldest? If so, could they be registered as Potter? Do you have the marriage ref for the parents? Just a thought................ Reg

If you really have checked over 20 years worth of index pages (at 4 quarters per year that's over 100 pages) and they aren't there, I can only suggest that either they were registered under a different name, or in a different area from the one you expected. Nell