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Maureen, Many thanks for your help - it's given me a massive leap ahead. As you suggest, I'll await the beady eyes of the late shift to resolve 1861/1871 - unless, of course, the family was abducted (temporarily) by aliens. Kind regards Annie

Annie, Sorry had no luck with earlier census. Thought I had found him in 1881 as Mintrum b. 1856 Fawley, Hampshire but living in Solihull but no way could I get it too read Nutbeam plus the fact that the man was married and with a family. Perhaps the later shift will have some luck. Maureen

Thanks Maureen, Gawd! Isn't it amazing how little distance the family moved in nigh-on 100 years ... my mother grew up near Bull Hill. I reckon 'Billey Street' is actually Pilley Street ... will check. Did you give up on the NUTBEAMs in 1861/71 - after Jim's discovery of NATBEAM, I had my hopes up!? Regs Annie

Annie, 1901 Rixon Address is Norley Wood Harry is shown as a carpenters labourer 1901 Mark and Mary Address is Bull Hill 1901 for Mark junior Address is Billey Street Luke and Rosina are husband and wife Jane age 78 is shown as m in law Maureen

Jim, Going back to your find of Mark NUTBEAM jnr in 1901, I reckon that Luke & Rosina STRICKLAND are an item - their ages are so close. Typical that FreeBMD should crash just as I wanted to check that out!! However, they'd have been too young to be Mary STRICKLAND's parents - she was the generation before, born around 1858 and married to Mark senior. Is there any street address listed for the place they're 'lodging'? There might be a clue in that. Thanks for both your help and for sharing your thoughts. Regs Annie

Maureen, I shouldn't be surprised to see Mary Jane (nee NUTBEAM) & Harry RIXON living with his parents. He was an only child and rather 'treasured' by his parents, so it's only natural that they'd want to help especially as she would have been expecting their first son by then. Is there any indication of their address? Regs Annie PS: Harry RIXON went on to become a chauffeur to the posh folk in the big 'ouse up the road!

Maureen, I've just added your 1901 NUTBROWNs (which are NUTBEAM on the image so you tell me) to my tree - and the conclusion is that it's definitely my lot. By 1901, Charlotte F has become known as Florence - which fits with family legend. Then the George you've found confirms the legend as well. Jim, Yes, I've been in touch with them but we are having trouble figuring out where our trees link up. To 'fess up' with the whole story .... my family legend tells of a Fred NUTBEAM who was the Queen's gardener at Buck House, but it doesn't tell me what relation he was to us. He died in 1997. So my current quest is to try to sort out the relationship once-and-for-all. Incidentally, I have old Fred on video from one of the gardening TV programmes - he used to cycle round the gardens at Buck House and had regular chats with the Queen about her roses. In his memory, an azalea has been named after him! If only I knew what all this really means to me!!!! Regs Annie

1901 for daughter Name: Mary J Rixon Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter-in-law Spouses's Name: Harry Gender: Female Where born: Boldre, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Boldre Ecclesiastical parish: South Baddesley County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Lymington Sub-registration district: Lymington ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Charles Rixon 49 Harry Rixon 20 Martha Rixon 46 Mary J Rixon 22 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1035; Folio: 22; Page: 5. Maureen

There seem to be several other members looking at the Nutbeam family. Jim

Annie, Sorry but updated 1901 details - I think the image is Nutbeam - before I saw your reply. Maureen

Maureen, That's scary - I'd not thought of NUTBROWN!! Let me ponder on who this lot are ... I'm hesitant because a lot of the names in that part of the New Forest keep 'repeating', it seemed that people once there, didn't move much and I've got confused with various families before over there! However, NUTBEAM (or whatever!) is a sufficiently small surname to make this family a likely candidate. Let me think for a moment ... Regs Annie

Jim, Thanks for clarifying the surname confusion - I'd realised it was a glitch in the system. Good of you to report it back to them. As for the 1901 'revelation', well, I don't know ... the STRICKLAND surname turning up is definitely interesting. Rosina seems more like a cousin to young Mark ... let me ponder a bit more. Many thanks for 'ferretting around' for me! Annie

1901 a possible Name: Sophie Nutbrown Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Mark Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Boldre, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Boldre Ecclesiastical parish: Boldre St Johns County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Lymington Sub-registration district: Lymington ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 79 Household Members: Name Age Ann Nutbrown 1 month Elsie Nutbrown 4 Florence Nutbrown 14 George Nutbrown 6 Mark Nutbrown 48 Mary Nutbrown 45 Sophie Nutbrown 8 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1035; Folio: 49; Page: 12. there are birth registrations of Sophy, Elsie and a George Nutbeam that would match this family Maureen update pretty certain that the image is Nutbeam

Maureen, Yes, that's my Gt Grandma in 1901 - looks like she had to get married as the first child arrived in June 1901!! Have just realised that Mark & Mary NUTBEAM had more kids after 1881 .... so he didn't pop his clogs, especially as you found him in 1891. So perhaps he expired 1891-1901 as I can't find him in 1901. Appreciate anything you find on them in 1871/1861. Regs Annie

Mark Junior in 1901 - also error in name 1901 England Census Record about Mark Natbeam Name: Mark Natbeam Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Pilley Boldre, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Boldre Ecclesiastical parish: Boldre St Johns County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Lymington Sub-registration district: Lymington ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Chas S Barrow 19 Jane Macey 78 Amelia Matson 9 Mark Natbeam 24 Luke Strickland 38 Rosina S Strickland 36 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1035; Folio: 45; Page: 4. Is Rosina Mary's mother?

Marriages 1901 qtr 1 Lymington 2b 901 Mary Jane Nutbeam Harry Rixon Only two names shown

Was looking at 1861 and 1871 but not found anything yet. Have you got him on 1901? Maureen

Just to emphasise Maureen's point, the 1891 census has the names transposed - showing MARK as the family name instead of Nutbeam. Am submitting correction to Ancestry Jim

Ladies, Many thanks! Maureen - I'm shocked that there are so many children, I hadn't suspected quite that many. Love the address - sounds really inviting, doesn't it, always knew I came from the gutter!! Jeanette - you've found the marriage for Mark junior, thank you. Any chance you could have a look at 1871 and 1861 in the hope of finding Mark NUTBEAM senior's parents/siblings? I've tried to kill him off by the way - before the kids ended up in the workhouse in 1881, but to no avail. Regards Annie

on image Mary and children down as surname Nutbeam Son and daughter's Marriage Mark Nutbeam Year of Registration: 1905 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Lymington County: Hampshire Volume: 2b Page: 1399 (click to see others on page) Annie Carpenter 1905 Jul-Aug-Sep Lymington Hampshire View Record Kate Elizabeth Nutbeam 1905 Jul-Aug-Sep Lymington Hampshire View Record Mark Nutbeam 1905 Jul-Aug-Sep Lymington Hampshire View Record Arthur George Smith looks like a double wedding with his sister