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1881 Edwin Name: Edwin P. Hall Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation: Adapted Son (Son) Father's name: Alfred B. Mother's name: Selina Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 5 Court 8 House Floodgate St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edwin P. Hall 7 Thomas Swain 19 Alfred B. Trunar 34 Selina Trunar 29 Adopted son to Head, that could be possible, but notice on Vera B's transcript on the other thread he does not appear. On the 1891 he is recorde as Nephew!

Keith, Have you look at image for 1881. Edwin, who is on top of next image, it looks like wifes son but that does not fit with wifes maiden name. Maureen

Hi Keith, Great minds think alike. Just logged back on and thought I would just check the thread. Maureen

Beat me to it Maureen lol. Edwin Hall is recorded as Nephew

1891 Name: Alfred B Trueman Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Selma Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edwin R Hall 17 Thomas Swam 69 Alfred B Trueman 44 Selma Trueman 58 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2384; Folio 75; Page 24; GSU roll: 6097494. 1881 Name: Selina Trunar Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Alfred B. Gender: Female Where born: Loughborough Civil parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 5 Court 8 House Floodgate St Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edwin P. Hall 7 Thomas Swain 19 age is 59 on image Alfred B. Trunar 34 Selina Trunar 29 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2989; Folio: 66; Page: 31; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341714 Maureen

1901 census. Name: Alfred B Trueman Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Selina Gender: Male Where born: B'ham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 8H Court 5 Floodfell? Street Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 48 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 232 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Swain 79 <----- Boarder Alfred B Trueman 54 Selina Trueman 69 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2837; Folio: 85; Page: 37

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can any one see alfred and selina on 1901 census just wondering if they had children will check 1881 bacardi xxx

1851 David Jones is shown as lodger born Birmingham Maureen

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1861 possible Name: Martha Trumard Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 55 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Cheetham 50 Edward Morris 29 John Morris 32 John Morton 27 Martha Trumard 20 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2142; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 542924

1851 just for info Name: Alfred Truman Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham St Martin County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 129 Household Members: Name Age David Jones 26 Alfred Truman 4 Ann Truman 41 Elizabeth Truman 1 Joseph Truman 41 Martha Truman 9 Mary Ann Truman 6 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2053; Folio: 592; Page: 34; GSU roll: 87311-87312. Have you got Martha on later census? Maureen

Hi Does this help 1861 England Census 1861 England Census Name: Alfred Trueman Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 246 Household Members: Name Age James Powell 53 Alfred Trueman 14 Ann Trueman 51 Elizabeth Trueman 11 Esther Trueman 6 Joseph Trueman 51 Mary Ann Trueman 16 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2144; Folio: 90; Page: 52; GSU roll: 542925. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census

Sorry Maureen, just noticed, put wrong date. 1871? Name: Alfred Trueman Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Selina Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Trueman 24 Selina Trueman 36 Thomas Trueman 49 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3107; Folio: 77; Page: 8 Will look for possible marriage

1871 Name: Joseph Trueman Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1810 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 99 Household Members: Name Age James Powell 65 - still a lodger Ann Trueman 60 Estee A Trueman 16 Joseph Trueman 61 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3107; Folio: 81; Page: 16; GSU roll: 839574

1871 possible Name: Alfred Trueman Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Selina Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Trueman 24 Selina Trueman 36 born Loughborough Thomas Trueman 49 - lodger born Appleby Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3107; Folio: 77; Page: 8; GSU roll: 839574

1861 Name: Alfred Trueman Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 2 Court 12, Digbeth Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 246 Household Members: Name Age James Powell 53 <-- Lodger Alfred Trueman 14 Ann Trueman 51 Elizabeth Trueman 11 Esther Trueman 6 Joseph Trueman 51 Mary Ann Trueman 16 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2144; Folio: 90; Page: 52

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