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Hi Nana Up North, I think if they did ever get married i think it would of been gateshead or newcastle area. in 1881 she was living scotts yard Gateshead, and all the children were born in gateshead I have just got such a complicated family nana. Thanks for your help Ann

I`ve just found something that is quite strange. I had a look on `findmypast` and came across a marriage for Elizabeth Moor in 1879 in Tynemouth Ref 10b 324 and a marriage for James Kennedy in Tynemouth in 1889 Ref 10b 324. As there is a 10 yr gap, surely the page number would have moved on for James`s marriage unless there has been a mistake and this is the marriage we have all been looking for. What do you all think? Nana

Hi Geogina and all I also couldn't find a marriage for her to a borthwick, maybe you's are right and she never has married it has crossed my mind. Think i'll send off for her oldest child birth certificate and see what information it has on there, I also found my gr grandad living with the watson family, but been unable to put a connection to the family. Thanks to you and everyone who has tried to help me. Regards Ann

I agree with Georgina,I can`t find any marriages for Elizabeth Moor and a Borthwick or Elizabeth Borthwick to James Kennedy. I have found their names in the indexes but none of them pair up. Nana

Ann I dont think this woman married anyone, I cant even find a marriage for an Eliza/Elizabeth Moor to a Borthwick she is a complete mystery. Have you found her on the 1901 census? I have found 3 of her sons but they are boarders with John & Margaret Watson. Name: Richard Kennedy Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England Civil parish: Gateshead Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Gateshead ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 226 Household Members: Name Age George Kennedy 8 Richard Kennedy 12 Thomas Kennedy 13 John Watson 44 Margaret Watson 42 Georgina.

Ann as far as I know as long as the father went with the mother to register the childs birth his name could be put on the certificate even if they were not married. Georgina.

Is it possible that she could have used her maiden name of Moor for her second marriage? Nana

Thanks Kay, I'll take a look. Georgina on Thomas Kennedy birth certificate it say's his mother is Elizabeth Kennedy late Borthwick formerly Moor i thought the same maybe they were never married, but having kennedy on birth certifi and also kennedy 1891 census would she have put that? Ann

found another elizabeth married dec 1882 10b 382 berwick

hi ann found an elizabeth borthwick married april 1883 sunderland 10a 572 james kennedy married april 1883 sunderland 10a 588 but the numbers are differant, so unsure if they go together

Ann I cant see their marriage, maybe they never married? I will carry on looking for a while. Georgina.

So this is Elizabeth in 1881 with her 3 sons, the next child on the 1891 census is 5 yeard old so if she married James Kennedy it must be between 1881-1886. Name: Elizabeth Bothwick Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England Civil parish: Gateshead County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Scotts Yard Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Gateshead ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Bothwick 26 Hugh Bothwick 2 James Bothwick John WM. Bothwick 4 Georgina.

brilliant georgina got to be her.. but why cant i find a marriage for her ? ann

Yes georgina thats the family, i think the older children were borthwick but took the kennedy name on ann

Me to Syliva I have also searched there ann

Ann is this the family in 1891? for some reason I cant view the image to check the address... Name: Eliza Kennedy Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England Civil parish: Gateshead Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Gateshead ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Eliza Kennedy 36 Eliza Kennedy 5 Hugh Kennedy 12 James Kennedy 35 James Kennedy 11 John Kennedy 14 Richard Kennedy 2 Sarah Kennedy 3/12 Thomas Kennedy 3 Georgina.

I can't find a Kennedy/Borthwick marriage on Freebmd between 1870 and 1910!!! Am I missing something?

Ann when was Elizabeth born & where were the family living in 1891? Georgina.

georgina Elizabeth would be born 1856 they were living 90 Peareth street Gateshead durham

Hi Georgina 1885 i think as elizabeth first marriage was to a borthwick then she married james kennedy and i think the children she has on 1891 census were borthwicks not kennedy hope you understand that Ann