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I have found William Summers dob c1811 born either Molash or Challock, Kent., the records vary and his name is sometimes Sammers. He married Elizabeth Amos in 1842 (born Challock)
Children
Walter Austin 1857
Charlotte c1855
Ann c1860
George c1850
Frederick c1852
John c1848
I am trying, without success to find William's parents. I think his father was born Molash.

I may have completely the wrong family but my great grandfather was Walter Austin born in 1857 so think I might be on the right track.

I would really appreciate some help please!

Thank you

Jill

If you get a copy of the marriage cert you'll find out who his father was - if he knew him

You'll also get a better idea of when he was born

For INFO

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Leese, Challock, East Ashford, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Summer Head - Male 53 1818 - Kent, England MOLASH on image
Elizabeth Summer Wife - Female 51 1820 - Kent, England Transcription
John Summer Son - Male 22 1849 - Kent, England Transcription
George Summer Son - Male 20 1851 - Kent, England Transcription
Charlotte Summer Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Kent, England Transcription
Walter Summer Son - Male 13 1858 - Kent, England Transcription
Ann Summer Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Kent, England Transcription
Jane Summer Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Kent, England Transcription

Thank you very much Jacqueline

I've tried to find him in 1841, with no success whatsoever. Sorry

Yes I have as well. Thank you for looking

Presumably him?

Name: Walter Austin Sammer
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 28 Jun 1857
Baptism Place: Challock, Kent, England
Father: William Sammer
Mother: Elizabeth Sammer
FHL Film Number: 1786210

Jan

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Name: William Sammer
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1819
Baptism Place: Molash, Kent, England
Father: John Sammer
Mother: Maria Sammer
FHL Film Number: 1835505
Reference ID: item 3

Thank you very much. I am finding it confusing when his name keeps changing!

As his first child wass John I should think this could be right as they had naming patterns back in those days.

Thank you very much. I am finding it confusing when his name keeps changing!

Name: William Sammon
[William Summers/Sammers]
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Sammon
Gender: Male
Where born: Moldash, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Challock
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: East Ashford
Sub-registration district: Wye
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 516
Folio: 83
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sammon 42
Elizabeth Sammon 48
John Sammon 13
George Sammon 11
Frederic Sammon 9
Charlotte Sammon 6
Walter Sammon 3
Anne Sammon 1

This looks like it could be him with his mother.

Name: William Sammers
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Rolvenden
Hundred: Rolvenden
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Tenterden
Sub-registration district: Rolvenden
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 475
Book: 12
Folio: 54
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Weston 45
Sarah Weston 45
Caroline Weston 15
Ellen Weston 10
William Weston 6
Maria Sammers 40************************
William Sammers 20***************************
Richard Barnes 1

Canterbury Marriages Transcription

First name(s) William
Last name Sammers
Marriage year 1842
Marriage day 11
Marriage month Jun
Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian
Spouse's first name(s) Eliz
Spouse's last name Amos
Groom's father's first name(s) John
Groom's father's last name Sammers
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference U3/27/1/7
Year range 1837-1928
Page 8
Record set Canterbury Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

(find my past)

So at least we can confirm that his father was called John

Added - a double wedding with a sister?

First name(s) Sarah Ann
Last name Sammers
Birth year 1823
Marriage year 1842
Marriage day 11
Marriage month Jun
Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Sole
Groom's father's first name(s) Edward
Groom's father's last name Sole
Bride's age 19
Bride's father's first name(s) John
Bride's father's last name Sammers
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference U3/27/1/7
Year range 1837-1928
Page 8
Record set Canterbury Marriages

Both were born in the county on the 1841 I just put up.

Hi
William Sammers born 09.04.1819 in Molash died 27.01.1888 in Challock.
Parents:- John Sammers born 09.07.1780 in Challock died 1847 in Challock. & Maria Waddle born c1890 died 26.09.1845 in Challock.
They were married 08.09.1816 in Westwell, Kent.

Dawn

Dawn - the image on FMP for the baptism states that 9 Apr 1819 was when he was baptised. There is no mention of his date of birth.
His father John was a labourer.

Good find though! :-D

Added - ditto the death. Its actually the date of burial. He was aged 70
Without checking, the other dates are likely to be the date of Baptism (unless that was actually noted on the register) or date of Burial

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

John Sammers
christening:
9 July 1780**********************
Challock, Kent, England

father:
Peter Sammers****************
mother:
Sarah Sammers********************

Two more children for John and Maria and William 1819 had a daughter called Charlotte maybe after his siter?

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Father John Sammer

spouse:
Maria Sammer

child:
Sarah Anne Sammer



England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Father John Sammers

spouse:
Maria Sammers

child:
Charlotte Sammers

First name(s) John
Last name Sammers
Birth year 1778
Death year 1847
Age 69
Burial year 1847
Burial day 21
Burial month May
Burial place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian
County Kent
Archive reference U3/27/1/12
Page 26
Year range 1813-1980
Record set Canterbury Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Of Challock Parish but died in died at the Wilsborough Union (sic - workhouse?). Buried 21 May 1847 age 69

On the same image are burials for
Charlotte Sammers buried 10 Oct 1847 age 20
Ann Marie Sammer buried 20 Oct 1847 Infant.

Now here’s an interesting thing. Remember how John Sammers’ father is named Peter? He was the witness to this marriage
First name(s) Ann
Last name Summer
Marriage year 1801
Marriage day 21
Marriage month Nov
Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian
Spouse's first name(s) Edward****
Spouse's last name Sole****
Groom's parish Challock
Bride's parish Challock
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference U3/27/1/5
Year range 1754-1817
Page 31
Record set Canterbury Marriages

Previously posted was the marriage of Sarah Ann Sammers to John Sole


First name(s) Sarah Ann
Last name Sammers
Birth year 1823
Marriage year 1842
Marriage day 11
Marriage month Jun
Place Challock, SS Cosmas & Damian
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Sole
Groom's father's first name(s) Edward***
Groom's father's last name Sole***
Bride's age 19
Bride's father's first name(s) John
Bride's father's last name Sammers
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference U3/27/1/7
Year range 1837-1928
Page 8

Spotted who John Sole’s father was?? So would that make John and Sarah Ann cousins?

:-D