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I contacted freereg.org for clarification and they got back to me saying they checked the record and the burial is 1822. I think that puts us back to square one, not sure this is one that can be solved.

Thanks.

The file numbers are created by the system the transcriber uses - in this case I suggest that that 2 people have transcribed the same set of records at different times.

The instructions to transcribers are to type what you see. Its likely that date is smudged on the image.

I did try to use the Correction link to ask for the the record where Ann was buried before she died to be checked, but it didn't work - it might have been my connection.

You could contact Lincolnshire Archives and ask them to check the image for Elizabeth. if its in the middle of other 1821 burials, then thats most likely when it occured. There is a possibility that they will make a charge, but as they would expect payment before they proceeded you have the option not to.

Previews to many Lincolnshire PR images are available on http://www.lincstothepast.com/home/
I don't 'think' the burials for this period are, but you could double check.

DetEcTive ... just saw the note at the bottom of one of your posts saying the info came from freereg.org. I looked at it and there are two references, one for 1821 and one for 1822. The register numbers are the same for both but the file numbers are different ... do you have any idea what they refer to.
Thanks.

Sorry to have taken so long getting back, been out of town.
DetEcTive, where did you find the burial for Elizabeth for January 1821 because everything else that's been found refers to 1822. If she was indeed buried in February1821 and not 1822 then that would explain things but everything I've found says 1822.
Thanks.

If this is Joseph's burial, then it is suggested he was born in 1821?
First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name HORNBY
Birth year 1821
Death year 1882
Age 61
Burial year 1882
Burial day 8
Burial month 11
Place ALFORD
Church description CEMETERY
Church denomination CEMETERY
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Record set National Burial Index for England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

From the same site - do you have this?
County Lincolnshire
Place Alford
Church St Wilfrid
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 11 Jan 1809
GroomForename William
GroomSurname HORNBY
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Susanna
BrideSurname HANDSLEY

Preview of all Hornby baptisms for Alford (some are duplicates) 1817 +/-10
There was another Hornby Couple in the parish, Joseph and Martha

Record Type Baptism Date Surname Forename County Place Name
1 Baptisms 24 Apr 1813 HORNBY William Billingham
2 Baptisms 24 Sep 1813 HORNBY Thomas
3 Baptisms 30 Jun 1815 HORNBY William
4 Baptisms 27 Jan 1822 HORNBY Elizabeth
5 Baptisms 14 Feb 1822 HORNBY Joseph
6 Baptisms 18 Apr 1823 HORNBY Elizabeth
7 Baptisms 25 Aug 1826 HORNBY Ann Lincolnshire
8 Baptisms 24 Apr 1813 HORNBY William Billingham
9 Baptisms 24 Sep 1813 HORNBY Thomas
10 Baptisms 30 Jun 1815 HORNBY William
11 Baptisms 03 Mar 1817 HORNBY John
12 Baptisms 27 Jan 1822 HORNBY Elizabeth
13 Baptisms 14 Feb 1822 HORNBY Joseph
14 Baptisms 16 Apr 1823 HORNBY Elizabeth
15 Baptisms 25 Aug 1826 HORNBY Ann
16 Baptisms 05 May 1809 HORNBY Sarah Handsley

One other burial in the same time period
County Lincolnshire
Place Alford
Church St Wilfrid
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 17 Mar 1810
Forename Sarah
Relationship dau of
Rel1MaleForename William
Rel1FemaleForename Ann
Rel1Surname HORNBY
Surname HORNBY
Age
Abode
Notes died 26 Mar 1810 father a labourer
FileNumber 31538
(something squiffy here! She can't have been buried before she died - probably an unclear image)

As the father is another William, one needs to check if the Elizabeth who was buried could be the child of William and an Ann. An alternative explanation is that Susannah swapped between using Susan and Ann

County Lincolnshire
Place Alford
Church St Wilfred
RegisterNumber 382
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 27 Jan 1822
Forename Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Susan
FatherSurname HORNBY
MotherSurname
Abode Alford
FatherOccupation labourer
Notes
FileNumber 23220

County Lincolnshire
Place Alford
Church St Wilfred
RegisterNumber 449
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 18 Apr 1823
Forename Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename William
MotherForename Susan
FatherSurname HORNBY
MotherSurname
Abode Alford
FatherOccupation labourer
Notes
FileNumber 23220

The image must be unclear as there is an alternative baptism date for the 1823 entry of 16 April 1823
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Burial entry
County Lincolnshire
Place Alford
Church St Wilfred
RegisterNumber 184
BurialDate 14 Feb 1821
Forename Elizabeth
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname HORNBY
Age infant
Abode Alford
Notes
FileNumber 23814
.................

Joseph's baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Alford
Church St Wilfred
RegisterNumber 386
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 14 Feb 1822
Forename Joseph
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Susan
FatherSurname HORNBY
MotherSurname
Abode Alford
FatherOccupation labourer
Notes
FileNumber 23220

All the above from http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Although it doesn't help in this case, the transcribers will note all the info from the register including notations such as P (private baptism). This is normally undertaken in the home if the child/infant is ill and not expected to survive.

What if Elizabeth was born in 1821 and only baptised in January 1822 because she was unwell?

And that Joseph, having only just been born was baptised on the same day as his sister was buried?

Jude

Yes, I thought about Elizabeth and Joseph being twins but if so, why would they have been baptised on different dates - Elizabeth in January and Joseph in February.
It's very mysterious.
Thanks.

Looks like the first Elizabeth died as a child



Name:Elizabeth Hornby

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:27 Jan 1822

Baptism Place:Alford,Lincoln,England

Father:William Hornby

Mother:Susan

FHL Film Number:421886



Name:Elizabeth Hornby

Gender:Female

Age:0

Birth Date:1822

Burial Date:14 Feb 1822

Burial Place:Alford, Lincoln, England

FHL Film Number:1541969


Joseph may have been a twin



Name:Joseph Hornby

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:14 Feb 1822

Baptism Place:Alford,Lincoln,England

Father:William Hornby

Mother:Susan

FHL Film Number:421886

I have found two Elizabeth Hornby born to William and Susan Hornby, in Alford, Lincolnshire. One was baptised on 27 Jan 1822 and one on 16 Apr 1823. These were in familysearch and Ancestry. I found a burial for Elizabeth Hornby for 14 Feb 1822 so I assumed the burial was for the first Elizabeth and then they had another child which they named Elizabeth. Sounds simple BUT there is another child, Joseph, and I found a baptism for him for 14 Feb 1822. Would they have a burial and a baptism on the same day??

Thanks.