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Neil Stewart
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21 Jan 2013 08:48 |
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Thanks everyone.
The Maria in the 1870 census tallies with her marriage certificate which also shows her age as 26 meaning she was born about 1844. So this must be George Gordon and his wife. It is useful to know that she used her middle name Maria. That might make it easier to trace the birth of her child and her death, whenever that was.
George's age is wrong. He was actually 37 but he faked his age consistently throughout his life and the discrepancy grew as he got older. On his third marriage certificate in Scotland he claimed to be 40 when he was actually 50. I am not surprised either that he claimed it was his first marriage. In fact I believe the marriage was bigamous as his first wife didn't die until 1871 in Scotland and there is no trace of a divorce.
That being the case it is likely that he used variant names and moved around to escape detection which makes the task of tracing his subsequent movements all the harder. Nevertheless I will keep trying and any more information would be welcome particular about George Gordon and Maria's child.
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Neil Stewart
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21 Jan 2013 00:24 |
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Thanks everyone. Andrew's Maria is a mystery. George Gordon had a daughter Maria by his first marriage but she would have been 14 in 1870 and in any case appears in the 1871 Scottish census as a domestic servant living in Old Machar, Aberdeenshire.
Saying this was his first marriage is in character. I believe that the marriage was actually bigamous as his first wife didn't die until 1871 and there is no record of a divorce. This may mean that he used variant names or otherwise evaded detection which makes tracing his subsequent history all the more difficult.
Anyway keep the information coming as this story is fascinating.
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20 Jan 2013 18:18 |
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This may be a complete co-incidence.
(Sorry my computer has suddenly slowed down, so it may take me a while to follow this up)
Name: Gordon George Hardy Birth Date: abt 1877 Birth Place: Byhalia, Miss Age: 68 Death Date: 15 Oct 1945 Death Place: Memphis, Shelby, Tennessee Burial Date: 17 Oct 1945 Burial Place: Byhalia, Miss Cemetery Name: Byhalia Gender: Male Race: White Marital Status: Divorced Residence Place: Whitehaven, Shelby, Tennessee Occupation: Millwright Father's Name: George Hardy Father's Birth Place: Byhalia, Miss Mother's Name: Lovina Carhoun Mother's Birth Place: Byhalia, Miss FHL Film Number: 2137363
Draft Registration Name: George Gordon Hardy County: Poinsett State: Arkansas Birth Date: 2 Jun 1876 Race: White
Not seeing him on pre 1900 census
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20 Jan 2013 17:28 |
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I thought that the Maria Hardy there was maybe Ruth using her middle name but if it is looks like her age is a bit out?
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Name: Ruth M Andrews Age in 1860: 22 Birth Year: abt 1838 Birthplace: Massachusetts Home in 1860: New Bedford Ward 5, Bristol, Massachusetts Gender: Female Post Office: New Bedford Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Christopher Andrews 49 Ruth Andrews 46 Ruth M Andrews 22 Caroline Andrews 21 Christopher S Andrews 19 Frederick W Andrews 15 Ruth Pollay 74 Catherine Desmond 43 Hannah Mcdonnall 22 1850
Name: Ruth Maria Andrews Age: 12 Birth Year: abt 1838 Birthplace: Massachusetts Home in 1850: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts Gender: Female Family Number: 694 Household Members: Name Age Christopher Andrews 40 Ruth Andrews 34 Ruth Maria Andrews 12 Caroline A Andrews 10 Christopher S Andrews 8 Fredk W Andrews 5 Eliza Reynolds 34
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20 Jan 2013 16:50 |
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On the original image of his 1870 marriage it looks like he's living Poston?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-17256-69?cc=1469062&wc=6961510
Cheeky blighter, saying it's his first marriage!
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Andrew
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20 Jan 2013 16:44 |
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Possible for George US census 1870
1870 United States Federal Census about Geo G Hardy Name: Geo G Hardy Age in 1870: 32 Birth Year: abt 1838 Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1870: Taunton Ward 6, Bristol, Massachusetts Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Taunton Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Lemuel Talbot 53 Mary N Talbot 49 Polly Williams 77 William Walker 25 Owin Atwood 19 >>>>Geo G Hardy 32 Gardner Maria Hardy 26 Catharine Lyons 29
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Neil Stewart
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20 Jan 2013 14:14 |
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Thanks to AnnCardiff's discovery of George Gordon Hardie's second marriage I have now been able to make sense of a reference in the divorce papers relating to the ending of his third marriage. His third wife Christina Munro complained about a child George Gordon had foisted upon her whom he had brought back from America. Presumably this was a child by his marriage to Ruth M Andrews in Massachussets. Unfortunately the divorce papers give no further details and without an age or sex for the child I have been unable to trace a birth certificate in America. George Gordon was a wanderer and it does not follow that he and his wife stayed in New Bedford even though they married there.
As an alternative I am wondering if there is any way of tracing his return to Scotland with the child. I am familiar with emigrant passenger records from Scotland but does anyone know if there are inbound records and if so where I could find them online?
I have no idea what happened to the child but I would like to find out. Possibly he/she returned to the USA with George Gordon in 1883. But given his previous history of abandoning the four daughters of his first marriage it is more likely that the child was left in Scotland to be fostered, adopted or put into some kind of care. Is there any way of tracing children in this unfortunate position in Scotland in the 1880s?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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AnnCardiff
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11 Dec 2012 12:31 |
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it's on the free Mormon website - www.familysearch.org
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Neil Stewart
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11 Dec 2012 12:24 |
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Thank you very much everyone. Some of this information I already knew but George Gordon's second marriage in the USA is a breakthrough. Brilliant!
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Potty
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11 Dec 2012 11:54 |
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Great minds think alike, Andy!
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11 Dec 2012 11:34 |
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Could be Annie 1901
EDIT. Sorry Potty, we seem to be doulbe posting the info!
1901 Scotland Census about Annie Matheson Name: Annie Matheson Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Sister-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Boharm, Banffshire Registration number: 82 Registration district: Tain Civil parish: Tain County: Ross and Cromarty Address: 1 Lamington St ED: 2 Household schedule number: 27 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1901_21 Household Members: Name Age George Henderson 40 Elizabeth Henderson 42 Violet Henderson 6 Annie Matheson 45 Jane Hardie 92 Janet Henderson 69 Annie Campbell 21
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11 Dec 2012 11:32 |
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Annie in 1901 - could Elizabeth Henderson be her sister Eliza?
1901 Scotland Census about Annie Matheson Name: Annie Matheson Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Sister-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Boharm, Banffshire Registration number: 82 Registration district: Tain Civil parish: Tain County: Ross and Cromarty Address: 1 Lamington St ED: 2 Household schedule number: 27 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1901_21 Household Members: Name Age George Henderson 40 Elizabeth Henderson 42 Violet Henderson 6 Annie Matheson 45 Jane Hardie 92 Grandmother-in-law, Old Meldrum, Aberdeenshire Janet Henderson 69 Annie Campbell 21 Edit: looking at Elizabeth's DOB, she is probably Lizzie.
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11 Dec 2012 11:27 |
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Robert in 1901 - No Annie but is is shown as a Commercial traveller in 1911:
Name: Robert Spence Matheson Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Forgue, aberdeensh Registration number: 168/2 Registration district: St Machar Civil parish: Aberdeen Rubislaw County: Aberdeenshire Address: 32 Desswood Pl Occupation: Grocer Merchant ED: 43 Household schedule number: 136 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_59 Household Members: Name Age Michie F G Cumming 31 Sarah Wood Cumming 27 Robert Spence Matheson 41 Annie Simpson Curran 17
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11 Dec 2012 11:22 |
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Annie death??
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1924 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matheson Annie 70 Kensington 1a 233
and Robert?
alia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Robert Spence Matheson Name: Robert Spence Matheson Death Date: 19 Jan 1934 Death Place: South Australia Registration Year: 1931-1935 Registration Place: South Australia Page Number: 463 Volume Number: 555
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11 Dec 2012 11:13 |
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Possible marriage for Annie:
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) Hardie Annie Camberwell 1d 1481 Matheson Robert Spence Camberwell 1d 1481
These are the banns for that marriage but the marriage (which would confirm her father's name) does not seem to be in the parish records. The marriage cert would be needed for that:
Name: Annie Hardie Spouse Name: Robert Spence Matheson Record Type: Banns Event Date: 11 Oct 1891 Parish: South Dulwich St Stephen Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register
Robert is shown as a batchelor of St Pauls Parish, Deptford.
Just seen Andy has already found this. The banns for St Pauls Deptford are also on Ancestry and in the margin is written "Certificate Oct 12"
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11 Dec 2012 11:12 |
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Annie 1911??
Date of birth slighty wrong, but place of birth OK
1911 England Census about Annie Matheson Name: Annie Matheson Age in 1911: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Banff, Scotland Civil parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 111 Helix Road, Brixton Hill, Brixton, London SW Marital Status: Married Years Married: 19 Estimated Marriage Year: 1892 Registration district: Lambeth Registration District Number: 25 Sub-registration district: Norwood ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 2110 Household Members: Name Age Robert Spence Matheson 52 Annie Matheson 52
Married 19 years, no children. Andy
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AnnCardiff
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11 Dec 2012 11:11 |
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Gordon G. Hardie Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915 birth: 1839 marriage: 04 Jun 1870 New Bedford,? Massachusetts parents: William,? Jane spouse: Ruth M. Andrews
name: Gordon G. Hardie event: Marriage event date: 04 Jun 1870 event place: New Bedford, Massachusetts gender: Male age: 31 estimated birth year: 1839 father: William mother: Jane spouse: Ruth M. Andrews spouse's father: Christopher spouse's mother: Ruthe record number: 638 digital folder number: 4332358
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11 Dec 2012 11:02 |
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hardie Annie Camberwell 1d 1481
on, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Annie Hardie Name: Annie Hardie Spouse Name: Robert Spence Matheson Record Type: Banns Event Date: 11 Oct 1891 Parish: South Dulwich St Stephen Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register
See 1911 census posted below.
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11 Dec 2012 11:00 |
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Neil, the best way to find out if anybody on here has any of them in their tree is to put the names in Search, Search all Trees at the top of the screen. Andy seems to have found Annie in 1891 so she may have stayed in England.
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11 Dec 2012 10:47 |
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William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Francis William Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Alexander Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Eliza Isabella Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Jane Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Margret Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Gordon Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: James Hardie
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