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This looks like the family in 1841 - both William and James are Sawyers:

SMITH, Wm M 45 1796 Lancashire
SMITH, Betty F 45 1796 Lancashire
SMITH, James M 20 1821 Lancashire
SMITH, John M 18 1823 Lancashire
SMITH, Peter M 15 1826 Lancashire
SMITH, Betty F 15 1826 Lancashire
SMITH, Jane F 12 1829 Lancashire
SMITH, William M 8 1833 Lancashire
SMITH, Alice F 5 1836 Lancashire
SMITH, Thomas M 4 1837 Lancashire

Piece: 534
Book/Folio: 10/43
Page: 28
Registration District: Bolton
Civil Parish: Bolton
Municipal Borough: Bolton
Address: Dawes Street, Bolton, Bolton, Great
County: Lancashire

Dea x

Susi,

mgnv has given you the marriage details above from LancsOPC site.

This is a transcription of the details on the Parish Register.

If you still want to buy the cert, though there will be nothing additional on there, this is the GRO ref:

Marriages Mar 1865
Ashcroft Jane **** Bolton 8c 304
Openshaw Ann Bolton 8c 304
Smith James **** Bolton 8c 304
Walker George Bolton 8c 304

Dea x

Joseph,
Thank you so much for this information.
I had been going around in circles,sometimes I think we miss alot.
So if I can find a marriage or birth for James I can send for a cert.
Regards Susi :-D

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SMITH William Western Bolton Bolton ASHCROFT WB/27/378

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1855
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SMITH William 1 Western Bolton Bolton WB/21/182

Well, looks like they eventually wed:
Marriage: 8 Mar 1865 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
James Smith - (X), Full Sawyer Bachelor of Bk. Blackhorse St.
Jane Ashcroft - (X), Full Spinster of Bk. Blackhorse St.
Groom's Father: William Smith, Sawyer
Bride's Father: John Ashcroft, Weaver
Witness: John Morris; Sarah Smith, (X)
Married by Banns by: Joseph Farrell Wright
Register: Marriages 1862 - 1865, Page 237, Entry 474
Source: Film of the register at Manchester Library

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
SMITH Mary J Western Bolton Bolton ASHCROFT

Could be Jane ASHCROFT

1861 at 159, Black Horse Street, Great Bolton
SMITH, James Head Married M 41 1820 Sawyer ALL BOLTON
SMITH, Jane Wife Married F 38 1823
SMITH, Thomas Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Fly Maker Iron...
SMITH, Christina Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848 Cotton Piecer
SMITH, James Son M 10 1851 Scholar
SMITH, John Son M 5 1856 Scholar
SMITH, ... Son M 2 1859

1871 at Back Of Blackhorse Street, Great Bolton
SMITH, James Head M 52 1819 Sawyer ALL BOLTON
SMITH, Jane Wife F 49 1822
SMITH, Christianna Daughter F 22 1849 Piecer
SMITH, John Son M 15 1856 Bleach Wks
SMITH, George Frederick Son M 12 1859 Cotton Op
SMITH, Mary Jane Daughter F 9 1862
SMITH, James Morris Boarder M 21 1850 Cotton Op

Births Sep 1858
Smith George Frederick Bolton 8c 286

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
SMITH James Western Bolton Bolton ASHCROFT

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
SMITH William Western Bolton Bolton ASHCROFT

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
SMITH John Western Bolton Bolton ASHCROFT

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1858
SMITH George F Western Bolton Bolton ASHCROFT

Thank you very much. I will follow this up

Regards susi

Marriage Record Name James Smith
Year of Marriage 1842
Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Bolton
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 21
Volume Page 65


married jane hall

im going by the date of their first born on the 1851 census

Marriage Record Name James Smith
Year of Marriage 1841
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Bolton
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 21
Volume Page 76


married jane jones

possible

Marriage Record Name James Smith
Year of Marriage 1841
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Bolton
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 21
Volume Page 70

married jane fletcher

Thank you very much. I will follow this up

Regards susi

possible for james the father william is sawyer as is james on census


1841 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Dawes Street
Parish Bolton
District Bolton, Bolton Eastern, Great
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Wm Smith
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1796
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Betty Smith
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1796
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 3
Name James Smith
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1821
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name John Smith
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1823
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name Peter Smith
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1826
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Betty Smith
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1826
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name Jane Smith
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1829
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 8
Name William Smith
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1833
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 9
Name Alice Smith
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1836
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 10
Name Thomas Smith
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1837
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Hello Polly Poppet

Thank you for responding,much appreciated.
I have the information you wrote. My problem is Thomas,s parents.
1. Who did James marry Jane who?
2. Who were James.s Parents? :-)
I would appreciate any help you can offer with these/

Regards Susi

his parentes in 1871 says his occupation is sawyer on census


1871 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Back Of Blackhorse Street
Parish Great Bolton
District Bolton, Western Bolton
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name James Smith
Age 52
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Jane Smith
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1822
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 3
Name Christianna Smith
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1849
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name John Smith
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name George Frederick Smith
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Mary Jane Smith
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name James Morris Smith
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1850
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation
Birth Place Lancashire
Birth County Lancashire

possible death

Death Record Name Ruth Smith
Year of Registration 1903
Quarter of Registration Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Bolton
Registration County Lancashire
Age at Death: 55
Volume Number 8C
Volume Page 298

1911 Census RecordPersonal Information
Name Mr Thomas Smith
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition Widower
Gender M
Age 68
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Occupation None Cotton Spinner
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Industry Out Of Work
Place of Birth Lancs Bolton
Enumerator Information
Address 27 Parkfield Road Bolton
Parish Bolton
Town Bolton
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 5 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN23433 RG78PN1366 RD461 SD8 ED24 SN292
Administrative County Lancashire
Registration District Bolton
Registration Sub District Great Bolton and Lever
Enumeration District 24
Reference Information
Folio 583
Page 1
Piece 23433
RD number 461
SD number 8
ED number 24
Schedule 292

1901 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address 3 Norman St
Civil Parish Bolton
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Bolton
Ecclesiastical Parish Bolton Le Moors St Marks
Parliamentary Borough or Division Bolton
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Bolton
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Ruth Smith
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 50
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Bolton
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Thomas Smith
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 21
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Cotton Piecer
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Bolton
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Thomas Smith
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 54
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Spindle Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Bolton
Language
Infirmity

1891 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 3, Norman Street
Parish Great Bolton
District Bolton, Great Bolton
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Thomas Smith
Age 49
Estimated Year of Birth 1842
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Spindle & Fly Maker
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Ruth Smith
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 3
Name William Smith
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1869
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Side Piecer Cotton
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name John Smith
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Side Piecer Cotton
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name Margaret J Smith
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Ruth Smith
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1876
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Setter In Card Room
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name Thomas Smith
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Learning Piecer
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

1881 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 44, Holden Street
Parish Great Bolton
District Bolton, Bolton Eastern
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Thomas Smith
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Spindle Fly Maker (S&w)
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Ruth Smith
Age 33
Estimated Year of Birth 1848
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 3
Name William Smith
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1869
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name John Smith
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name Mary J Smith
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Ruth Smith
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1876
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name Thomas Smith
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 8
Name Daniel Kirkman
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Occupation Lab Outdoor (Gen)
Birth Place Bolton
Birth County Lancashire

possible birth

Birth Record Name Thomas Smith
Year of Registration 1843
Quarter of Registration Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Bolton
Registration County Lancashire
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 21
Volume Page 119