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thanks to everyone who help, im a lot near to solving this puzzle, again i couldnt of done this without you help, so thank you

Robert


1. It is not unusual for names to change through a child's history (or a family's one at that).

2. The theory that her mother remarried (whether or not it was official or bigamously) is a very possible reason for the change in name from Nash to Matthews

3. It is also not uncommon to see bride and groom shown as living at the same address ........... only they are not really living together! If the two live in different parishes, then Banns have to be read in both parishes. That costs money. Many people put that they lived at the same address to save the extra cost. So her address showing as the same as her groom is no real indication that that was in fact where she was living at that time.


4. Celebrating birthdays on the wrong date is also not unusual .............. we always celebrated my grandfather's birthday on Christmas Day. It was not until after he died that my uncle found a birth certificate that showed he was actually born on the 9th January.

I've assumed that his parents celebrated his birthday 2 weeks early, because then they would only have to buy one present.

Grandfather must have known ............. because he was in WW1, went overseas during that service, and his birth certificate was hidden in a drawer in the house. But he continued with the "fiction".


Maybe, in your case, the 13th April coincided with Easter????????




sylvia

This is Janice's post that I copied over, where they are still all together as Nash:
''William Henry
Annie
Emily Maud
Florence May
are at 1 Sarah's Buildings, Greenwich in 1930 as Nash.''

If Emily was estranged from Annie, how come your Father was brought up by Annie - they must have communicated?
Similarly, if she kept going back to them they were not estranged.

Just putting this marriage, as 1911 census says married 7 years:
Marriages Sep 1902
Haley Annie Greenwich 1d 2047
Nash William Henry Greenwich 1d 2047

William Henry's birth?
Births Sep 1874
Nash William Henry Greenwich 1d 847

Have you ruled out William H Nash being in WW1 he would still be of age.

The informant of emily death was her daughter my aunt Edna. i obtained the date of her date her birth certificate by working from census records and working back from her marriage certificate, as there was only one emily nash born in 1904. her address on her marriage certifacate was 5 railway cottages fulham as my grand father address was 3 railway cottages fulham. by this time she was estranged from her mother and i believe she was in lodgings at the time of her marriage. this was tied cottages as my grand father and my great grandfather both worked on the railway as platelayers. im still working on the death of her brother and sisters. my father wasnt brought up by his mother Emily he was brought up by Annie her mother. i only ever meet two of her sister as a child Annie and winifred Annie was known as Lil and winifred was know as phil as her second name was phylis. my sister second name was May named after Florence

please could you copy over janices post.

im not suprised after they marrying my grand father that emily move back home as they were often seperating and getting back to gether as my grandfather was a bit of a gambler, as Emily often walked out or though her husband out

My main problem my father never discussed his family . he visted them but never discussed them, not even with my mother

Can I copy over Janice's post, and refer you again to my found Electoral registers:
'William Henry
Annie
Emily Maud
Florence May
are at 1 Sarah's Buildings, Greenwich in 1930 as Nash.'

What was Emily's address on the marriage certificate?

Her name at death is what the informant called her (for whatever reason).

Just to query:
How do you know that the birth certificate for Emily M Nash is actually her?

Also, have you found marriages or deaths for any of her siblings and, if so, in what names?

i think chris has hit the nail on the head i think my great grand mother had a bigamous marriage as here first husband didnt die till 1932

There is a marriage for an Annie L Nash and a Charles E Matthews in Fulham in 1922

Could it be that Annie remarried and Emily took on her stepfather's name???

Presumably this is the marriage, wrongly recorded as Emily N?
Marriages Dec 1928
BURROWS Stephen Matthews Hammersmith 1a 695
Matthews Emily N Burrows Hammersmith 1a 695

She can call herself whatever she wants, as long as she does not try to deceive.

What are your comments about showing on the electoral register in 1929/1930 with parents and sister as Nash?

On my grandmother birth certifacate Her name was Emily Maud orn 6th march 1904 Her Father name was William Henry Nash . Her Mother Name was Annie Haley born at 11 James street Greenwich

On her mariage cetificate Her Name was Emily Maud Matthews , Her father was list as Charles Mathews date of marriage was 17/12/1928 .......My grandfather details on the marriage certifacate is all perfectly correct

She Died in 1996 alyesbury Her name on the death certifacte was Emily maud Nash-Burrows

in her life she went by the Names of Emily Nash then Emily Mathews then Emily Nash-matthews then Emily Burrows the Emily Nash-Burrows

The only possible birth date i have for a Charles Mathew was c1885

For further reference:
Emily Maud Nash
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1904
Baptism Date: 30 Mar 1904
Father's Name: William Henry Nash
Mother's Name: Annie Nash
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich St Peter
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

6.03.04 written under her name.

Janice.
I´ve also got one like yours. Married in his own surname, children all registered in his surname& all married in his surname, but on the census he appears with his wife every 10 years with her maiden name as his surname & a completely different christian name, but the same occupation.
His death was registered under his birth surname & his will was in his birth surname. After his death, his wife reverted to her married surname.
Never got to the bottom of that one. :-( :-(

You say you have her birth cert....then say you 'believe' who her parents were.

What does the birth cert say about them?

The odds are that William Nash and his wife parted.......and she took up with Charles Matthews, with or without the involvement of the vicar. And not necessarily in that order............

When was her marriage, please?

Also, cannot see a Nash-Burrows death?

In 1939 Annie and Florence NASH are at 64b Armitage Rd

1935 sarah's buildings - just these two.

William Henry
Annie
Emily Maud
Florence May
are at 1 Sarah's Buildings, Greenwich in 1930 as Nash

William Henry Nash showing on electoral registers with Annie in Greenwich in 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928 and 1930, at Sarah's Buildings. (There are other William Henry's in Greenwich also)

Marriages Sep 1902
Ferry George Henry Greenwich 1d 2047
Haley Annie Greenwich 1d 2047 <<<<<<<<<
Nash William Henry Greenwich 1d 2047 <<<<<<<<<
WITHERS Florence Ada Greenwich 1d 2047


Another child born after the 1911 census.

Births Mar 1913 Nash Winifred M Haley Greenwich 1d 2021

This may be completely irrelevant but I think it's worth throwing into the melting pot. Coincidentally this happened in Greenwich.

My friend was doing her family tree and was really struggling with one particular branch. There seemed to be parallel families with the same first names but different surnames. Eventually we decided there were far too many coincidences and studied them more closely. The pattern that emerged was that anything they did which was church-based (hatchings, matchings, despatchings) they used one surname, and anything state-based - census returns - they used the other. Fortunately this was consistent and once we had the overall picture it was glaringly obvious.

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William Henry Nash
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1874
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 847

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William H Nash
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 915