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Thanks Mary, that's sorted that one out. Hate it when there are loose ends.
:-)

Found MARGARET ROSS

1881 East St Colchester St James D6 > 2
Charles Johnson age 55 a Millwright born Suffolk (Elizabeths Dad)
Eliza 1829 Norfolk
MARGARET RUST (Ross) born Mancester Lancashire age 3 (Grandaughter)

1911 Brocket Rd Hoddesden herts
Elizabeth Ross 1857 Ipswich married 16 years 3 children all alive Boarding House keeper
Grace Ross daughter age 12 a student.
So she is under her former married name although she married Robert Martin Daking in 1891

Maryb.

The couple were together in 1901:-

1901 England Census about Margeret Peachy
Name: Margeret Peachy
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Peachy
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Assistant Warder in Prison

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 226
Piece: 149
Folio: 123
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
John Peachy 25 - born: Stratford St Mary, Suffolk, England
Margeret Peachy 23

...................so maybe this is her after all?

This would be her in 1911 if the ancestry tree is correct:-

PEACHEY, John Head Married M 35 1876 Gas Engine Attendant Suffolk Stratford St Marys VIEW
PEACHEY, Margaret Wife Married10 years F 33 1878 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
PEACHEY, John Son M 9 1902 St Pancras London VIEW
PEACHEY, Charles Son M 7 1904 Sussex Upper Beeding VIEW
PEACHEY, Christine Daughter F 5 1906 Sussex Upper Beeding VIEW
PEACHEY, William Son M 3 1908 Sussex Upper Beeding VIEW
PEACHEY, Herbert Son M 1 1910 Sussex Upper Beeding VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 5228 Reference: RG14PN5228 RG78PN231 RD80 SD4 ED2 SN183 Registration District: Steyning Sub District: Steyning Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Upper Beeding Address: 37 Dacre Gardens Beeding County: Sussex

Another possible marriage for Margaret :-

Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
xxxx Peachey John Ross Kensington 1a 433
Reardon Rose E Stegman Kensington 1a 433
xxxx Ross Margaret L Peachey Kensington 1a 433
Stegman Alfred Reardon Kensington 1a 433
Weisfogel Rebecca Perlow St.Geo.H.Sq 1a 433

............a tree on ancestry has this as her marriage but it would make her 40yrs old?
I know this isn't abnormal but it also has her going on to have 9 children the last one being born in 1919 ?
The first two are noted as (Private) but the third child was born in 1902, so unless she had the children before she actually married John Peachey, then this can't be correct.

It also has her father as being born in 1855 Aberdeen, Scotland and although they don't have a death for him they do have the family in Scotland in 1901 census and Robert is still alive..........................so ?????????????

Elizabeth Ross married 1891 to Robert Martin Daking he was born 1870.
They had grace 1899 here on 1901 census but not 1911.

Elizabeth went to Australia.
1925 Ship Balranald
Adelaide to London Elizabeth Daking needlewoman C/O C J Ross Hoddesden

1935 Ship Themistotles
Adelaide - London
Elizabeth Daking c/o C J Ross High Street Hoddesdon.

Charles Ross O/N/D 1882 Strand London Middlesex 1b 661 this would match 23/9/1882

Maryb.

There was a probate report for a Robert Ross died 4/6/1878 address 19 Upper-Medlock Street he was a Telegrah Clerk left under £200 to widow Eliza.
1871 same address with daughters
Robert 33 Birkenhead Cheshire a Clerk
Elia 40 Macclesfield
Amy 8
Lucy 6
Bessie 3
But Eliza Ross is still with those children in 1891!!

So it looks like another Robert Ross.

Maryb

This is the death you mention :

Deaths Jun 1878
Ross Robert 40 Chorlton 8c 494

If I have the correct one in the 1871 census, then the age of the one who died is 6 years out ??

Might be correct but I think it needs more checking.

Have to go out just now - when come back to it when I return.

Dea x

This looks like him ??


1871 census transcription details for: New Bridge Street, Cheetham, Manchester
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 4061
Folio: 65
Page: 4
Reg. District: Manchester
Sub District: Cheetham
Parish: Cheetham
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: New Bridge Street, Cheetham, Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MCCLURE, Andrew Wallace Head M 31 1840 Scotland - Draper
HERRON, Elizabeth Servant F 27 1844 Scotland
ROSS, Robert Boarder M 27 1844 Scotland ******** Draper's Assistant
KING, John Boarder M 18 1853 Scotland
ROSS, Hugh Boarder M 20 1851 Scotland ............. a brother perhaps ??
MCPHERSON, Alexr Boarder M 21 1850 Scotland
CUMMING, John Boarder M 18 1853 Scotland

Dea x

I googled Charles Johnson Ross 1882 and a thread on there says he was born illigitimate,Robert Ross died 1878 of TB.

Maryb.

O.K. - I have looked at the marriage cert for Robert Ross and Elizabeth in 1875. (2nd December).

Unfortunately it does not give his age, only says full age.

BUT, he was a Draper at that time living at 37 Higher Ardwick - father Hugh, a Leather Cutter.

Elizabeth's father was Charles - a Millwright.

Witnesses James Jess? and Grace Laurie.

This link should take you to the image:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12660-31116-72?cc=1788853&wc=MMGS-H98:n970083656

Dea x

Looks like Margaret could have married in London:-

Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
Carroll Patrick James A Islington 1b 202
Chisholm Reginald Scott Islington 1b 202
Collis Rosina Annie Islington 1b 202
Edney Ernest Bovingdon Islington 1b 202
Evans Clara Jane Islington 1b 202
Love William Nelson Islington 1b 202
Marriott William Cyril Islington 1b 202
Neal Edward Thomas Islington 1b 202
xxxx Ross Margaret Leonora A Islington 1b 202 xxxx
Searle Ivy May Islington 1b 202

...................so where was she in 1881????

I've been looking for the family in 1881. I'm wondering if this is Elizabeth:-

1881 England Census about Elizh. Ross
Name: Elizh. Ross
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: St Giles in the Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 49 Parker St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Occupation: Servant
Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 324
Folio: 41
Page Number: 20

It would put her in London for the birth of Charles?

She is already noted as Widower so maybe she did have Charles out of wedlock and registered his birth under her maiden name.

This is of course just a theory, to confirm we need to know when Robert died. For that we need to know when he was born so really we need the marriage cert. to find out a little bit more about him!

Christina - In old-fashioned writing 'double s' was often written as what looks like a very long letter 'p' and is often mistranscribed.

Dea x

How do you relate to Charles?

Have you worked back to him from yourself?

Thanks for the census Dea. Well done. I would never have found that mistranscribed as Rop.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1875
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

ROSS Robert JOHNSON Elizabeth Ardwick, St. Thomas Manchester 21/2/340

Margaret was certainly born in Lancashire:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

ROSS Margaret Leonora Chorlton-on-Medlock Manchester CHO/115/59

I can't see Charles there at the moment.

Dea x

This is the family you are linking him to on 1891:

RG number: RG12
Piece: 1411
Folio: 66
Page: 10
Reg. District: Colchester
Sub District: Colchester Third Ward
Parish: St James
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: St James
City/Municipal Borough: Colchester
Address: 42, East Street, St James, Colchester
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ROSS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 32 1859 Dress Maker Ipswich, Suffolk
ROSS, Margaret L Daughter Single F 13 1878 Manchester, Lancashire
ROSS, Charles J Son M 8 1883 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire *********
DAKING, Robert M Boarder Single M 20 1871 Miller Raydon, Suffolk
DAKING, Ernest W Boarder Single M 18 1873 Miller Raydon, Suffolk
BARBER, Arthur E Boarder Single M 18 1873 Miller ?, Suffolk

Dea x

This, of course, is possible if his parents weren't married.

I'm having difficulty in finding any records on your Charles Ross. Apart from the 1911 census.

Please, can you give a little more detail, to help me find the 1891 census you mention above. I can't find a Charles Ross born c.1882 in Manchester.

Who does Charles name as his father on his marriage certificate?

Unfortunately, the tree you have got some of your information from, doesn't show any clear sources.