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I may have had something about Dinah and her parents in an earlier thread but a "penny-dropping" moment today merits this being its own thread.

I put Dinah into my family tree when I found her parents Andrew and Silvia Homer in the 1861 census

Here for Info:

Name: Dinah Homer
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Andrew Homer
Mother's name: Selvy Homer
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Piece: 2058
Folio: 73
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Homer 54
Selvy Homer 56
Dinah Homer 26
Andrew Homer 17
Eliza Homer 15
Martha Homer 13
Joseph Homer 9
George Henry Homer 4
John Homer 3

I couldn't find a christening for her and never again found Dinah in a census. I did find her with variations on the name.

So last week I found a christening for a child Sidonia Homer born 04 January 1834 and christened 05 February 1837. She then promptly disappears. And then the penny dropped....Dana in 1841, Donah in 1851 and 1871 and Dinah in 1861 is Sidonia!

Armed with this I have now found her in 1911 as well..but try as I might I have not found her in 1881, 1891 or 1901. Nor can I find a death for her.

So for info again here are the censuses I have
1841
Name: Dana Nomer
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Dudley
Hundred: Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1196
Book: 12
Folio: 15
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Nomer 32
Silva Nomer 29
Jane Nomer 9
Dana Nomer 7
Sarah Ann Nomer 5
Mary Nomer 3

1851
Name: Donah Homer
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Andrew Homer
Mother's name: Selina Homer
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Dudley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1x
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132
Piece: 2033
Folio: 71
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Homer 42
Selina Homer 38
Jane Homer 19
Donah Homer 17
Mary Homer 11
Andrew Homer 8
Eliza Homer 6
Cornelius Homer 4
Martha Homer 2

1871
Name: Donah Homer
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodside, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 254
Piece: 3014
Folio: 53
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hadley 43
Mary Ann Hadley 43
Hannah Frens Witby 10
Donah Homer 36

1911
Name: Dorah Homer
Age in 1911: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation to Head: In Care Of Mrs Jewkes Front Place Head (Head)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woodside, Worcestershire
Civil parish: Shire Oak
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: High St, Catshill, Brownhills, Walsall
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Old Age Pensioner
Registration district: Lichfield
Registration District Number: 367
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 16886
Household Members:
Name Age
Dorah Homer 74

I am only interested in the missing censuses and a death -assuming of course she didn't marry after 1911 :-)

I have everything else about her family

I just need those extra eyes!!

Jude

Got her in 1901!!


Name: Donah Romer
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Shire Oak
Ecclesiastical parish: Ogley Hay
Town: Catshill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Piece: 2654
Folio: 231
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Donah Romer 59
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Her death?

Deaths Sep 1913 (>99%)

Homer Donah 75 Lichfield 6b 512

Good find K! That has to be her although the age is a bit out. Been looking in Dudley...hadn't clicked that in 1901 and 1911 she was in Lichfield :-)

Sadly she is not so easy to find in the missing years

No...I have now tried every combination for 1881 and 1891.

But two new censuses and a death are progress indeed :-)

Jude

I am trying searching on just Woodside or Dudley as a birth place but no success so far

Kay

How about this for 1881...same household as 1871 where she was a servant.


Name: Mary Homer
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Pedmore Rd
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Barmaid
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2879
Folio: 45
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hadley 53
Mary Ann Hadley 53
Mary Homer 40

It definitely says Mary...but .......

It does seem reasonable - They may even have called her Mary - Sedonia would be a mouthful

Isn't 'that' Mary on 1881 more likely to be her sister who shows on '41 and '51 census and is the correct age ?

Dea x

You are a spoilsport Dea! It could be sister Mary...I have her only up to 1871 census....so am now going to see if I can disprove it ha ha!!

Incidentally, the age isn't correct for her either...she was actually born 16 September 1838

Jude

This entry might be possible:

Name: Dora Homes
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Piece: 2253
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Steadman 59 widow
Dora Homes 50 single

Points against:
- "Dora" - forename, surname, age
- Jane - states born Gloucs

However, Jane Homer is not all that common a combination, and the Jane Homer b in Dudley can be distinguished from others in 1841, 1851 and 1861 - there is then this marriage in 1877 in Walsall:

Name: Jane Homer
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1831
Age: 46
Father's Name: Andrew Homer <<<<<
Spouse's Name: Thomas Steadman
Spouse's Age: 44
Spouse's Father's Name: William Jacobs
Marriage Date: 29 Oct 1877
Marriage Place: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Sorry Jude!! - just trying to help ;-) :-D :-D

Ivy - that does seem to be a 'very possible' ???

Dea Xxx

This might be Jane's death registration:

Name: Jane Steadman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1893
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 469

Hi Dea,

finger's crossed!

:-D

Ivy - spot on! It's definitely Homer in the image. Wonder why Jane said Gloucestershire??

I have her in 1881 as well (now) working as a charwoman in the workhouse

Thanks all once again!

The marriage status for Jane in 1877 shows her as "widow"


parents: William Jacobs
spouse: Jane Homer
groom's name: Thomas Steadman
groom's birth date: 1833
groom's age: 44
bride's name: Jane Homer
bride's birth date: 1831
bride's age: 46
marriage date: 29 Oct 1877
marriage place: Walsall, Statford, England
groom's father's name: William Jacobs
bride's father's name: Andrew Homer
groom's marital status: Widowed
bride's marital status: Widowed
indexing project (batch) number: M06065-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1526217

I'm not convinced she was...but I can't find her in 1871 census - eyes again please?? :-)

Also I can't find a suitable death for Thomas> She appears in 1881 to be widowed (already)

Jude

I was surprised that the groom's father is named as William Jacobs, so I tried looking for St*dm*n in Staffordshire born around 1833.

There were three likely candidates in 1871:

The oldest, William b approx 1830 in Wolverhampton, married to Ann, with child Edwin, survived to 1890 and can be seen with his family in 1881.

Thomas William b approx 1836 in Wolverhampton, is living with his wife Ann in Bilston (where Ann was born in about 1841) and children including daughter Harriet. He died in 1880, and his widow and family can be found in Bilston in 1881.

The third one, which seems possible, is living with Mary Harper aged 59 (widow) and Edward Stedman aged 50 (unm). Thomas is shown as an unmarried son, aged 36; all three of these are born in Codsall.

Looking back to the 1841 Codsall census, there is a William Steadmain aged 55, with Mary aged 25, Elizabeth aged 20 and Thomas aged 6; so I thought perhaps William was a widower, his child Edward aged 20 not at home, and the others as Thomas' siblings.

It then occurred to me that it might be possible that in 1841 Mary was William's second wife, which would be why in 1871 Edward is shown as a boarder, but Thomas as a son.

This does seem to tie into a marriage in 1844 between Mary Stedman and John Harper in Wolverhampton.

Name: Mary Steadman
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1844
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume Number: 17
Page Number: 385

However, I cannot locate a marriage between William St*dm*n and Mary; I wonder if Jacobs was Mary's maiden name? Also, looking for a death for William Steadman after 1841, there are three in Staffordshire, but all after 1844.

Meanwhile, Thomas Stedman born in Codsall is unmarried in 1851 and in 1871; the only other marriage in Staffordshire in the 1870s is a much younger Thomas (to Emma Thatcher Ward in 1880, and they are seen together in the 1881 census); so unless Thomas had married after 1851 and had "forgotten" in 1871, or married in the 1870s outside Staffordshire, then the marriage record may be incorrect as stating either Thomas or Jane as widowed?

Perhaps since neither were in their 20s at their marriage, the vicar just put them down as widowed?

OOpps - It posted before I was ready so have deleted but I have another one for you - I will be back soon when I have typed it all out.

Dea x

Hi Dea,

I'm off to make the most of the sunshine; will look in again tomorrow.