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Gins you are right Charlotte could have been baptised any time after her birth.

Why didn't I think of that !!!

Thanks Lynski

Quantum Factor or what!!!!

Knowing that rounding down the ages makes life a bit easier.

I am learning a lot from all you clever people,answering my queries.

Cheers Elsa

Note:
In the 1841 Census a policy of rounding down ages was in place. As such, people aged:

15-19 were recorded as 15
20-24 were recorded as 20
25-29 were recorded as 25
30-34 were recorded as 30
35-39 were recorded as 35...and so on

In the 1841 census ages were rounded to an even number, hence she is listed s 20 but she could have been older

Her baptisim was 1818, she could have been born before that


Youre right to get certificates, where available

Hi Gins

I think I am going to get some certificates for William as his middle name keeps changing.

Also there is some confusion with Charlottes date of birth.
ie:- Charlotte baptised 1818.
1841 census she was 20 which makes her birth date 1821.
1851 census she was 36 so born in1815.

The trouble was a lot of people where illiterate,so they weren't sure of date etc.

1851 England Census
Name: Mary A Vidler
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard Vidler
Mother's name: Ann Vidler
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1582
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Vidler 45 <<<<<<<<Plasterer
Ann Vidler 45
Alfred Vidler 17
Mary A Vidler 15
George Vidler 9
Jane Vidler 6
Ann Vidler 2

Yes Gins I think that is the same William.

It's a pain researching all our ancesters with the same first names !!!!

And I have surnames in my family tree,which the most common.

Phew.........My brain hurts.

Gratfully Elsa.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Charlotte Armstrong
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1818
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1818
Father's Name: William Armstrong <<Shoemaker
Mother's name: Eleanor Armstrong
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St Anne Soho
Borough: Westminster <<<<New Street
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


1841 England Census
Name: Charlotte Armstrong
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St George The Martyr
Hundred: Southwark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1084
Book: 1
Folio: 18
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
William Armstrong 50 <<<Shoemaker
John Armstrong 30
Mary Armstrong 30
Charlotte Armstrong 20
George Armstrong 15

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: William Thomas Man
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1821
Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1821
Father's Name: William Man <<<Shipwright
Mother's name: Rachel Man
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

I think this is the same William Mann that married Mary Ann Vidler......seems William changed his middle name a lot. His middle name on his son Richards marriage is Alexander!


The marriage Andy posted has the correct details for this birth and his second marriage that I posted


The entry has his father William Mann Shipwright & Charlottes father: Shoemaker as is William (Groom)

Address: James St

Wit: ? J Armstrong & C Armstrong

I posted the death earlier and there are no age of death listed in 1851.

That's why I was curious as to how it was known to be 0?

When I looked on FreeBMD for Charlotte Mann deaths between 1851 and 1911 the death ages don't start until 1867 for that particular name.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Mary Ann Vidler <<<18 Portland St
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Spouse Name: William John Mann <<<Widower, Cordwainer
Spouse Age: 35
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Jun 1858
Parish: Walworth St Peter
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Richard Vidler <<Plasterer
Spouse Father Name: William Mann <<<Shipwighr (Deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register

Address: 22 Trafalger St

Wit: Richard ?? & Ann Vidler

Lynski I got the death record from G.R

And as Gins said everyone is 0 registered.

Yes Gins it certainly is a ''pain in the Butt''

It costs a lot to research wrong info.

Oh well !!!

Thanks for all your help

Elsa

Did you get Charlottes death record from GR? If so, they enter the age at death as 0 if no age is available..........pain in the butt


You would need the death cert to find her age


Heres a link to free BMDs



http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Just curious - how do you know that Charlotte's age is 0 at death without ordering the certificate?

Have you found the record somewhere else?

Hi Lynski.

I've researched the two deaths .

Emily Mann is the right one.

But Charlotte Mann's age is aged 0 at death.
I think if all else fails I shall have to apply for this certificate to see if the age is a mistake.

Elsa

I wonder if she died at the same time as Emily - see my post of the two deaths above.

Thanks Andy.

This seems to be the Charlotte I am looking for.

But she's disappeared from the 1861 census.

And I can't find out anything more about her.

Elsa

1871 census ??

MANN, William Head M 50 1821 Surrey
MANN, Mary Ann Wife F 34 1837 Surrey
MANN, George Son M 22 1849 Surrey
MANN, Richard Son M 11 1860 Surrey
MANN, Mary Ann Daughter F 9 1862 Surrey
MANN, Eliza Daughter F 7 1864 Surrey
MANN, John Gladstone Son M 4 1867 Surrey
MELLISH, Alfred Lodger M 19 1852 Not Known

Piece: 733
Folio: 104
Page: 6
Registration District: Camberwell
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Municipal Borough:
Address: Meeting House Lane, Camberwell
County: London, Surrey

Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
MANN Richard Alexander Camberwell 1d 481

Same district as the 1851 census ??

Deaths Jun 1851 (>99%)
Mann Charlotte St Geo Southk. 4 308
Mann Emily St Geo Southk 4 309