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Hi, I'm trying to determine what happened to Mary Ann Lamb an ancestor of mine.Her Parents were William Lamb and Grace Lamb (nee Dixon) and she had two elder sisters Grace and Isabelle. I believe they are together in the 1861 census but are not with their family in the 1871 census, and I cannot find any other trace of her.Can any body find her ?

Hello Ian, are you a direct descendant of hers? If so then she must have married and had children in order for you to be here?

Or is she a sibling of a direct ancestor?

Just posting that 1861 for background:


LAMB, William Head Married M 38 1823 Blacksmith Foreman Blaydon Durham
LAMB, Elizabeth Wife Married F 40 1821 Dressmaker Scotland
LAMB, Grace Daughter F 13 1848 Scholar Winlaton Durham
LAMB, Isabella J Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar Winlaton Durham
LAMB, Mary Ann Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar Winlaton Durham

Registration District: Chorlton
Civil Parish: Hulme
Municipal Borough: Manchester

Address: 12, Gay Street, Hulme, Manchester County: Lancashire

From a tree on Ancestry the mother Grace died 1853 so presume William remarried.

1871??

LAMB, William Head M 44 1827 County Durham grocer and smith
LAMB, Grace Wife F 33 1838 Scotland VIEW
LAMB, Isablla Daughter F 21 1850 County Durham working at button factory
Piece:
570 Folio:
29 Page:
14 Registration District:
Poplar

Civil Parish:
Bromley St Leonard Municipal Borough:
Address:
Mary St, Upper, Bromley St Leonard County:
London, Middlesex



1881

LAMB, William Head Married M 56 1825 Blacksmith
Blaydon on Tyne
Durham VIEW
LAMB, Grace Wife Married F 45 1836 Needlewoman (S)
Scotland VIEW
LAMB, Isabella Daughter Single F 32 1849 Button Polisher
Wimbaton
Durham VIEW
LAMB, Charles Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
Piece:
495 Folio:
132 Page:
35 Registration District:
Poplar

Civil Parish:
Bromley Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Cottage Place, Bromley County:
London, Middlesex

For info could Elizabeth have been his second wife?

1851 census
Charles Dixon head widower Nail and chain manufactuer aged 60
William Lamb son in law married a smith age 25
Grace Lamb daughter age 24
Ridley Dixon son age 19 unmarried nail maker
Elizabeth Dixon grandaughter daughtet age 10
Grace Lamb grandaughter age 3
Isabella Lamb grandaughter age 1
Mary Ann Lamb grandaughter aged 3 months

It looks as though William moved around a lot so it's difficult to establish which of the many records (marriages/deaths) for Mary Ann Lamb could be the right one ....

Record William Astley Oct-Nov-Dec 1863 Manchester Lancashire
>>View Record Grace Forrest Oct-Nov-Dec 1863 Manchester Lancashire
>>View Record William Lamb Oct-Nov-Dec 1863 Manchester Lancashire
View Record Mary Walker Oct-Nov-Dec 1863 Manchester Lancashire

Just found this

Grace Dixon daughter of Charles Dixon and Grace Mitchinson(Mitchelson)
Born 1827 Winlaton Durhan
Married William Lamb 1847 at Register Office Newcastle Northumberland
Died 1853 Winlaton.

William's third wife was also Grace.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1863
Astley William Manchester 8d 569
Forrest Grace Manchester 8d 569 <
Lamb William Manchester 8d 569 <
Walker Mary Manchester 8d 569

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I note Mary Ann's sister Grace settled in Hampshire at the time the family were in London in 1871.

PreviewName: Mary Ann Lamb
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1869
Registration district: Farnham
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 2a

This Mary married Jonah Barnard.

The 1871 Census
is provided in
association with:.1871 England Census
about Mary Barnard Name: Mary Barnard
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jonah Barnard
Gender: Female
Where born: New Castle on Tyne
Civil parish: Crondall
Ecclesiastical parish: Crookham
Town: Ewshott
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Odiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 1230
Folio: 59
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Jonah Barnard 22
Mary Barnard 21

Unfortunately no further census as she died 1875 and Jonah re-married.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Barnard Name: Mary Barnard
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1875
Age at Death: 24
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 112 (click to see others on page)

Vera

Thanks to everyone for their response,the majority of the findings are already known to me namely that William was married three times,however, whats new is that Mary Ann could have married and then died at a young age. It fits with the location at that time of one of her sisters , is it possible to confirm place of birth and father from marriage cert?
My main interest in her is that its possible that she is the mother of Charles Lamb -my grandfather .Charles birth place is confusing he states its Eastbourne ,Sussex on his marriage and army enlisting info. but the 1881 census says Tunbribge wells and I have never been able to find any record at either location. Also,his assumed father is around 48 at his birth and as his first son I would expect William to be one of his names and it is not.

Forgot to say that there is a Charles william Lamb b.in1874 in Hadlow Tunbridge wells Tonbridge 2a-574 and I have a copy of this record but its not my relative.The mother was Mary Ann Lamb nee simmons

If this is the one that you're talking about in 1881 his parents are William & Grace:

1881 England Census
about Charles Lamb Name: Charles Lamb
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Lamb
Mother's Name: Grace Lamb
Gender: Male
Where born: Tunbridge Wells

Civil parish: St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Cottage Place
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 495
Folio: 132
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
William Lamb 56
Grace Lamb 45
Isabella Lamb 32
Charles Lamb 8

The Charles Lamb on the 1881 census could be this one.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Charles William Lamb Name: Charles William Lamb
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1874
Registration district: Tonbridge
Inferred County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 574 (click to see others on page)

There is also this Charles Henry Lamb:.

1911 England Census
about Charles Henry Lamb Name: Charles Henry Lamb
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bourne, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 13 Washington St, Bromley By Bow E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: LABOURER CHEMICAL FACTORY
Registration district: Poplar
Registration District Number: 22
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 1679
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Henry Lamb 38
Emily Lamb 23
Charles William George Lamb 0

Vera

Hello Ian, the marriage certificate should give you the fathers' names and occupations but not the birthplace.

With ref. to Veras findings First, Mary ann was born in Winlaton Durham and not Farnam so doesn't look right ,second, the Charles Henry identified in the 1911 census is correct and thirdly, the Charles Lamb born in Tunbridge wells has already been shown to be the wrong one (previous posting). Also, I believe that Bourne in sussex should be Eastbourne, thanks again
Ian

Ian

Mary Ann on the 1871 census say she was born in Newcastle not Farnham.
It would not be unusual for people born in Co Durham when out of County to quote Newcastle as the most well known area as did her sister Gracei in one of the census but later said Winlaton.

Yes you did already highlight the other Charles William born in Tonbridge.


Vera

Thanks again Vera ,I guess I need to research the marriage? Ian

Is it possible to check if Mary ann and Jonah Barnard had any children ?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Barnard Name: Mary Barnard
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1875
Age at Death: 24
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 112 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Jonah Barnard Name: Jonah Barnard
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1876
Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 299 (click to see others on page)


William J aged 9 possibly child of Mary Ann

1881 England Census
about Jonah Barnard Name: Jonah Barnard
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son in Law
Spouse's Name: Jane Barnard
Gender: Male
Where born: Empshott ((Crondall)), Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Crondall
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: Bowling Alley
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Carpenter

Registration district: Hartley Wintney
Sub-registration district: Odiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1250
Folio: 38
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Lucy Vass 62
Jonah Barnard 30
Jane Barnard 29
William J. Barnard 9
Albert Barnard 2
Walter Barnard 1

Vera