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I want to thank you all for your help. I think I will take a hard copy of this thread + a cuppa and see what I can find , see if anything fits and then get back to you
Regards
Sheila

Sylvia Yes we have this certificate ,and no the witnesses were Elisa Williams & Alice Jane Thomas.


Sheila

and here he is in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Geo. H.Z. Monday
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 164 Great Howard St

Occupation: Pawnbrokers Assist

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin

Geo. H.Z. Monday 21 Pawnbroker's Assistant
James Conroy 17 b.ca 1864, Birkenhead, Cheshire, Boarder, Pawnbroker's Assist.
William Speakman 18 Boarder, Pawnbroker's Assist.
Celia Cunningham 50 Housekeeper



sylvia

Hi, just posting 1861 because this is a much earlier reference to him as George:

Name: Geo H Mandy
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elena Mandy
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil parish: East Stonehouse
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: East Stonehouse
Sub-registration district: East Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a

Household schedule number: 422
Piece: 1447
Folio: 108
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Elena Mandy 24 (image says mariner's wife born Liverpool)
Geo H Mandy 1

(plus FMP transcription, which struggled with his mum!):

MANDY, Eliza Head Married F 84 1777 Mariners Wife Liverpool
MANDY, Geo Son M 1 1860 Plymouth Devon
Piece: 1447 Folio: 108 Page: 5
Registration District: East Stonehouse

Civil Parish: East Stonehouse
Municipal Borough:
Address: Union Street, East Stonehouse
County: Devonshire

and Elvenea married again in 1900


England, Marriages, 1538–1973 for Elvenea Barnard

Groom's Name: Evan Jones
Groom's Birth Date: 1841
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 59
Bride's Name: Elvenea Barnard
Bride's Birth Date: 1840
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 60
Marriage Date: 28 Oct 1900
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: Evan Jones
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: George Leaf
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00776-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1656690
Reference Number: it 6, p 238, no 475




Have you got this certificate to see if George is a witness again?? It doesn't seem to be in the Liverpool Parish records on ancestry


Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)

Barnard Elvenea Liverpool 8b 21
Jones Evan Liverpool 8b 21



I was wondering if George had gone to live with Elvenea at some point, and maybe taken on her "new" name





sylvia

That was the first we knew he has put George in front of his name
I am sorry I must away for a while, it is grandson picking up time from school. I'll be gone about 1 hour

??
1891 Census of Canada
about George Monday Name: George Monday
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: England
Religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Quebec
District Number: 181
District: Richmond and Wolfe
Subdistrict: Richmond
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Monday 30

sooooo


Elvenia married again??

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Elvenia Maria Monday

Name: Elvenia Maria Monday
Birth Year: abt 1841
Age: 40
Marriage Date: 18 Sep 1881
Parish: Toxteth St Philemon
Spouse's Name: Samuel Henry Barnerd, Mariner
Father's Name: George Leaf, Stevedore
Spouse Father's Name: William Barnerd, Master Mariner


and George Henry Thomas Monday was one of the witnesses!!!


Witnesses:- George Henry Thomas Monday and Margaret Elizabeth Hulme


Elvenea's age was either 43 or 48 on the actual image.




sylvia

Have you tried searching on findmypast for passengers leaving England???


You can search for free ..... I do it all the time, and it just gives you an idea as to whether someone has left, and where they might have gone.



sylvia

I have 3 or 4 ways of spelling Elvina But yes to have the family I don't know why I think or thought that Herny Thomas / George left England, it was the sort of thing that could of happened.

is this another child of Elvira's, living with his grandmother in 1881?

1881 Census

Name: John Monday
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 66 Lamb St

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale

Maria Leaf 76
John Monday 9
Richd. Keenan 36
John Rimmer 50




answer, yes it is!!!


Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Monday

Name: John Monday
Birth Date: 2 Apr abt 1872
Baptism Date: 30 Jul 1872
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's Name: Henry Wall Monday
Mother's Name: Eleanor Monday

Father occupation:- Mariner


It is Elvenea on the image.



sylvia

I'm just trying to get my head round the family, and a "feel" for them!




sylvia

yes it is their wedding

Sylvialn ,Yes that is his marriage to Margaret, and Margaret did die in Wesr kirby in 1886 and yes the 1871 census is also them. His grandmother was born in Hull

Is this your Henry's mother and father's marriage???????


iverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Henry Wall Monday

Name: Henry Wall Monday
Birth Year: abt 1829
Age: 27
Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1856
Parish: Liverpool St John the Baptist with St Thomas
Spouse's Name: Elvina Leaf
Father's Name: James Monday
Spouse Father's Name: George Leaf


Name: Elvina Leaf
Birth Year: abt 1835
Age: 21
Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1856
Parish: Liverpool St John the Baptist with St Thomas


from image:-

Henry Wall
Bachelor
Occupation:- Mariner
Address:- 66 Toxteth Street
Father occupation:- Custom House Officer

Elvira
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 66 Toxteth Street
Father occupation:- Stevedore

Witnesses:- Edward Briscoe and Mary Jones

married by License




sylvia

Jax Sorry my fault your George died in Nov: 1893 but he was a sailor,

so this was his marriage?


Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)

MONDAY George Henry T West Derby 8b 784
STEVENSON Margaret W. Derby 8b 784




??? age is 5 years out


Deaths Mar 1939 (>99%)

Monday George H 75 Hull 9d 154




sylvia

Is this your Henry in 1871 ...... except that Maria Leaf is not his mother, Elvira Monday is!


1871 Census

Name: Henry Monday
[User-submitted-comment]
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Maria Leaf
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park

Maria Leaf 66
Henry Monday 11

Address:- 88 Hill Street.


Other people living in the house:-

Elvira (?Elvina) Monday, age 35, Married, Wife, b. Hull, Yorkshire.

Name: Elvina Monday
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park

Elvina Monday 35

Address:- 88 Hill Street



sylvia

I am a bit confused

Who died in 1887?

Jax Just checked that George, and it's not the one, as I have found that George's death certificate,we did send away for it, the informant was the father-in-law a William Barkier(?) the name is hard to read, but this George died 3 November 1887 to close to Margaret's death 14 Oct: 1886 Sorry it's not my George/Henry
Sheila