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hi wondering if anyone can help. im looking for info on my dads grandmother ,mary ellen veitch. the only thing i have is marriage certificate that i sent off for. according to that she married frank gomersol peel 19th july 1915. she was 27 years old and her farther is william veitch retired marine. i cant find her or her farther on any census. i ordered a birth certificate and the gro cant find her. is it possible she was born abrord? if so how can i find out ? thanks for any help
danny

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Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
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Peel Frank G Veitch N.Bierley 9b 33
Veitch Mary E Peel N. Bierley 9b 33

Who witnessed the marriage?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
Name: Frank Gomersall Peel
Probate Date: 26 Aug 1941
Death Date: 29 Jun 1941
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Registry: Wakefield

Probate granted to Mary Ellen Peel, widow.

Effects £2172. 7s 5d

When did Mary die?

franks brother charles herbert peel and a lena guest.

I had a look for William, using keyword 'marine', but no idea if this is relevant:

1881 England Census

Name: Wm. Veitch
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland

Civil parish: East Stonehouse
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address: "Royal Marine Barracks" Durnford Street

Occupation: Private R M

Registration district: East Stonehouse
Sub-registration district: East Stonehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Marine Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2205
Folio: 91
Page Number: 22

Possible for death of Mary Ellen:-

Name: PEEL, Mary E
Registration district: Spen Valley
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1956
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death:68
Volume no: 2D
Page no: 405

Kath. x

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1911


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VEITCH, William Head Married
22 years M 46 1865 Shipwright Dumbarton Scotland VIEW
VEITCH, Mary Ellen Wife Married
22 years F 39 1872 Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
VEITCH, Isabella Daughter Single F 20 1891 Machinist Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
VEITCH, William Robert Son Single M 18 1893 Joiner Labourer Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
VEITCH, Thomas David Son Single M 16 1895 Apprentice Shipwright Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
VEITCH, Mary Daughter F 14 1897 Apprentice Flowrist Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
VEITCH, Agnes Daughter F 14 1897 Match Works Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
VEITCH, James Almonds Son M 11 1900 School Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
VEITCH, Lillian Daughter F 5 1906 School Lancashire Bootle Liverpool VIEW
SINCALIR, Isabella Mother In Law Widow F 58 1853 Glasgow Scotland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22412 Reference:
RG14PN22412 RG78PN1322 RD455 SD5 ED6 SN79

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Bootle Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Bootle cum Linacre

Address:
38 Wadham Road Bootle County:
Lancashire

I wonder if this is Mary in the 1911 census with Lena Guest (Mary's surname possibly mistranscribed. If so it says born Kerry):-

GREIG, John M Head Married M 35 1876 Card Maker Glasgow VIEW
GREIG, Gertrude Wife Married
11 years F 35 1876 Cleckheaton VIEW
GREIG, Mary Daughter F 10 1901 Schooling Cleckheaton VIEW
GREIG, Ian Son M 6 1905 Schooling Cleckheaton VIEW
GREIG, Fred Son M 3 1908 Schooling Cleckheaton VIEW
PARKIN, Esther Servant Single F 39 1872 General Servant Domestic Rotherham Yorks VIEW
WITCH, Mary Servant Single F 26 1885 General Servant Domestic Tarbert Kerry (looks like Veitch on the image)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GUEST, Lena Servant Single F 20 1891 General Servant Domestic Barnsley Yorks <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ELLISON, Alice Servant Married
16 years F 40 1871 Steeple Bumstead Essex

Address:
Moorland House Cleckheaton

Reference:
RG14PN26571 RG78PN1530 RD497 SD1 ED4 SN1

Kath. x

sorry i have no idea. my dad died 2010 and his brother lives abrord somewhere

The above is interesting Kath. I was about to post this, I would think the William from the 1881 above. He is a private in the marines. His wife and 3 oldest children were born in Ireland.

1901 England Census

Name: William Veitch
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Veitch
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: East Stonehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: East Stonehouse
County/Island: Devon

Registration district: East Stonehouse
Sub-registration district: East Stonehouse

William Veitch 40
Mary Veitch 35
William Veitch 17
Elizabeth Veitch 15
John Veitch 7
Jessie Veitch 3
Richard Veitch 1
Robert Murray 21 Brother-in-law

I think it's too much of a coincidence that the Mary above in the 1911 census is working as a servant with Lena Guest who was a witness at the marriage.

I'd put money on it being Mary Ellen.

She possibly knocked a couple of years off her age on the marriage certificate because she was older than her husband.

Kath. x

Oh yes, well spotted re. the witness. Great find Kath.
It might fit with the William above, re. the Irish births for his children?? Maybe?
Jan

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1911 England Census

Name: Mary Nestel
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tarbert, Kerry, Ireland
Civil parish: Cleckheaton
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: Moorland House, Cleckheaton
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Domestic Servant General
Registration district: North Bierley

John M Greey 35
Gertrude Greey 35
Mary Greey 10
Lan Greey 6
Fred Greey 3
Esther Parkin 39
Mary Nestel 26
Lena Guest 20
Alices Elleson 40

It does sound possible Jan.

Kath. x

No wonder people are difficult to find with transcribing like that!!

Kath. x

Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958

Name: Mary Ellen Veitch
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1887
Registration district: Glin
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 216
FHL Film Number: 101061

Siblings, one assumes

William Veitch Apr-May-Jun 1884 Glin
View Record

Elizabeth Veitch Jan-Feb-Mar 1886 Glin
View Record

Michael Veitch Jan-Feb-Mar 1891 Glin

would people knock years off ? how would i find info on irish births? do they have census?

Thank you???