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Many thanks Choccy and Christina - your help is much appreciated :-)

Here they are in 1851. The three others with them are servants.

1851 England Census
Name: Robert Dogele
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Daggell
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Wellingford, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Brighton
Town: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: 141 Marine Parade???

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: Kemp Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1s
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Piece: 1644
Folio: 385
Page Number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Dogele 56....Barrister at Law not in actual practice.
Margaret Daggell 47
Caroline Daggell 20
Willm Sapside 24
Eliza Plater 35
Mary A Lucker 29

think this is probably her in1891 - does say Geraldine on original -


1891

STOREY, Sarah M A Head Single F 61 1830 Living On Her Own Means
Marylebone
London VIEW
>>>>>DALZELL, Geraldine M L Visitor Single F 42 1849 Living On Her Own Means
Wallingford
Berkshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Joseph Servant Married M 63 1828 Butler
Biggleswade
Bedfordshire VIEW
HAWEY, Elizabeth Servant Single F 25 1866 Cook
Hughenden
Buckinghamshire VIEW
JEFFS, Emma Servant Single F 31 1860 Ladiesmaid
Walford
Herefordshire VIEW
COOKE, Edith Servant Single F 20 1871 Housemaid
Wallingford
Berkshire VIEW

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Piece:
96 Folio:
84 Page:
5 Registration District:
Marylebone

Civil Parish:
St Marylebone Municipal Borough:
Address:
17, Bryanston Square, St Marylebone County:
London

Many thanks for your input Shirley. Yes, I had also wondered about that death registration - quite likely I think. I had seen quite a lot of the info about this family on the net, but I hadn't seen the London Gazette article.
Margaret Legh is the sister of my husband's great-grandmother x3, so I was really keen to track her down - so thank you for helping me to do so :-)

Thanks also to Lindsey and safc.

think this is probably Caroline -

1881

>>>>>DALZELL, Margaret Head Single F 38 1843 Landowner
Wallingford
Berkshire VIEW
CLAUGHTON, Mary Cousin Single F 59 1822 Interest Of Money
Haydock
Lancashire VIEW
SHEWRY, Sarah Servant Single F 70 1811 Cook (Dom Serv)
Buckland
Berkshire VIEW
DUNSDON, Mary Servant Single F 27 1854 Parlour Maid (Dom Serv)
Crowmarsh
Oxfordshire VIEW
STICKLEY, Mary Servant Single F 17 1864 Under Housemaid
N Moreton
Berkshire VIEW

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Piece:
1294 Folio:
45 Page:
29 Registration District:
Wallingford

Civil Parish:
Wallingford St Mary-Le-More Municipal Borough:
Address:
High Street, Wallingford St Mary-Le-More County:
Berkshire

General Dalzell
bought the Manor of Tidmarsh from Alexander Wilson. His great-grandson,
Robert Dalzell, sold it.

1 They had two sons, Robert and John. Robert, who was born in 1765, sold
Tidmarsh about the beginning of this century. His son Robert married Margaret,
daughter of Mr. Legh of Lyme, and their daughter, Miss C. M. L. Dalzell of
St. Alban's Priory, Wallingford, is the only representative living of the first family
of John Dodd of Swallowfield. Miss C. M. L. Dalzell has some curious old stained
glass which came from Tidmarsh, as well as some most interesting old plate which
belonged to her French Huguenot ancestors, the St. Legers and the Chardins.

another very interesting family history article -note the last paragraph

DALZELL, ROBERT (1662–1758), general, whose name is generally misspelt ‘ Dalziel,’ belonged to the family of the earls of Carnwath, the records of which, for the period of his birth, are imperfect. He was born in 1662, and is described as having entered the military service at an early age, and ‘made eighteen campaigns under the greatest commanders in Europe’ (Grainger, iii. 1221). Family tradition has it that his father was Earl of Carnwath, and himself in the direct line of succession to the title, which was forfeit during the latter half of his lifetime, and that he began his military career as ensign in the foot company of his kinsman, Sir John Dalzell of Glenae. This is confirmed by the muster-rolls of the Earl of Mar's regiment (21st Royal Scots fusiliers) now in the Register House at Edinburgh, which show a Robert Dalzell serving as ensign in Captain Sir John Dalzell's company of that regiment at Dumfries, Glasgow, Ayr, &c., at various dates from January 1682 to May 1686. Mar's regiment came into England in 1688; and it is possible that Dalzell was the ‘Dalyell’ serving as a lieutenant in the regiment of foot of Gustavus Hamilton, Viscount Boyne (20th foot), in Ireland, in 1694 (Add. MS. 17918). In 1698–9 Dalzell appears as ‘Robert Daliel’ in the list of the captains of Gibson's foot (28th foot) ordered to be reduced (All Souls' Coll. MS. 154, f. 130). This regiment had been originally raised in 1694 by Sir John Gibson, knight, lieutenant-governor of Portsmouth, whose daughter Dalzell married, and after serving in Flanders, the West Indies, and Newfoundland, was disbanded in 1698, except a detachment in Newfoundland. It was raised again on 10 March 1702 (Home Off. Mil. Entry Book, iv.), Dalzell, like Gibson himself, reverting to his former rank in the regiment. This is the earliest mention of him in existing War Office records. The baptism of Dalzell's eldest child, Gibson Dalzell, appears in the register of the parish church, Portsmouth, under date 9 March 1698, and the baptisms of his other children all appear in the same register. On 2 July 1702 Dalzell was appointed town-major of Portsmouth (ib. vi.), an appointment worth 70l. a year, which he retained for many years. Gibson's regiment went from Portsmouth to Ireland in 1702, and in 1704 Gibson sold the colonelcy to Sampson de Lalo, a Huguenot officer in the British service. De Lalo's regiment, as it was now called, joined Marlborough's army, and served at the recapture of Huy and the forcing of the enemy's lines at Neer Hespen in 1705, and at the battle of Ramillies in 1706, during all which time the name of Robert Dalzell appears as lieutenant-colonel (Chamberlayne, Angl. Not.) De Lalo exchanged the colonelcy with Lord Mordaunt on 26 June 1706, and under the name of Mordaunt's the regiment went to Spain, and was one of those cut up at the disastrous battle of Almanza, 24 April 1707. Dalzell reformed the regiment in England, and it again went to Spain in April 1708 (Add. MS. 19023). A writer from the army under date 23 April 1708 says: ‘We cannot yet give any certain account of the number of our forces, but what we have are the finest in the world, such as the regiments of Southwell, commanded by Col. Hunt; of Blood, commanded by Col. Du Bourgay; and of Mordaunt, commanded by Col. Robt. Dalziel’ (Compleat State of Europe, June 1708). Some account of the regiment up to this period will be found in Colonel Brodigan's ‘Hist. Recs. 28th Foot,’ London, 1884, but the details are imperfect and not always accurate, and throw no light on Dalzell's services. Dalzell became a colonel in 1708 (1709?), brigadier-general in 1711, major-general 1715, in which year his appointment as town-major of Portsmouth was renewed. In 1709 he raised a regiment of foot (the 41st) in Spain (Add. MS. 19023), which appears in a list of regiments in 1713 (Eg. MS. 2618, f. 205) as Brigadier Dalzell's, but was afterwards disbanded. Dalzell became major-general in 1727; colonel of a regiment of foot (33rd foot) in 1730, in succession to General Hawley; commander of the forces in North Britain, 1732; colonel of a regiment of foot (38th foot), in succession to the (second) Duke of Marlborough, in 1739; lieutenant-general in 1735, and general in 1745. He retired by the sale of his regimental commissions in 1749. In 1720 Dalzell was appointed treasurer of the Sun Fire Office, the only office then taking fire risks outside the bills of mortality. He is said to have been one of a party of Scottish gentlemen who took over the concern from the projector; but although this is probable, the books of the office contain no information respecting his interest in it prior to 1720. Thirty years later he was chairman of the directors, of whom his son, Gibson Dalzell, was one. Gibson Dalzell appears to have had a lease of one of the coal-meters' offices in the city of London, and shares in the Sun office and the Company for working Mines and Metals in Scotland. He died in Jamaica in 1755, and was buried at St. Martin's-in-the-Fields, London.
Dalzell died in London on 14 Oct. 1758, in the ninety-sixth year of his age. In his will, proved on 19 Oct. 1758, he spells his name as here indicated, and describes himself as of Craig's Court, Charing Cross, expressing a desire to be buried in Westminster Abbey. He was buried in the church of St. Martin-in-the-Fields. Several engraved portraits of Dalzell exist; one at the age of eighty-four, from a painting at Glenae, once the seat of the earls of Carnwath, is believed to be an excellent likeness. Dalzell's wife and children predeceased him, and his only surviving descendants at his death were the two children of his son Gibson Dalzell: Robert, of Tidmarsh Manor-house, Berkshire, and Frances, who married the Hon. George Duff, son of the first Earl of Fife. >>> (maybe this is Frances a daughter of Gibson not Robert) >>>>

A grandson of Robert Dalzell was the late Robert Dalzell, M.A., D.C.L., barrister-at-law, of the Middle Temple, and joint author of a ‘Treatise on the Equitable Doctrine of the Conversion of Property (London, 1825), who died in 1878 at the age of eighty-three, and whose daughter is now the only surviving representative of this branch of the family. [Particulars supplied, from family sources, by Miss Caroline Margaret Legh Dalzell of Wallingford. Some very curious information respecting the orthography of the name is given in the Christian Leader, September 1883, p. 687. Information has also been obtained from the secretary of the Sun Fire Office; Walford's Cyclopædia of Insurance; Granger's Biog. Hist. of England (ed. 1806), vol. iii.; Regimental Muster Rolls in Register House, Edinburgh; MS. Army and other Lists in Library, All Souls' Coll., Oxford; War Office (Home Office) Military Entry Books; Chamberlayne's Angliæ Notitiæ; Brit. Mus. Add. MS. 17918, also 19023 (abstracts of Muster Rolls); Eg. MSS. 2618; wills of General Robert Dalzell and of Gibson Dalzell in Somerset House; Gent. Mag. xxviii. 504.]

Name: Robert Dabzell
Event: Intended marriage
Event Date: 03 Jan 1828
Event Place:
Residence: Lincoln Inn, Middlesex
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Marital Status: Batchelor
Father:
Mother:
Spouse: Margaret Legh
Spouse's Residence: Lyme, Prestbury, Chester
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status: Spinster
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number:
Digital Folder Number: 4018643
Image Number: 232

have you seen this article in the London Gazette
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/28007/pages/2139/page.pdf

so if Robert died in 1878 and Caroline was his only survivor the Margaret must have died between 1871 and 1878.

I did wonder about this one earlier on

Name: Margaret Dalzell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Date of registration: Apr-May-Jun 1871
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 188

Oh well done Shirley.... Yes he was a Barrister.

A grandson of Robert Dalzell was the late Robert Dalzell, M.A., D.C.L., barrister-at-law, of the Middle Temple, and joint author of a ‘Treatise on the Equitable Doctrine of the Conversion of Property (London, 1825), who died in 1878 at the age of eighty-three, and whose daughter is now the only surviving

Caroline died 1906 in Wallingford ,Potty

I wonder if they lived abroad - no death reg coming up for Caroline.

BINGO he is 65 not 45 and note Carolines intials -ages still out tho!
1871 census
Name: Robert Dalzell
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Dalzell
Gender: Male
Where born: Wallingford, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Eastbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Eastbourne
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Eastbourne
Sub-registration district: Eastbourne
ED, institution, or vessel: 7g
Household schedule number: 184
Piece: 1040
Folio: 55
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Dalzell 45
Margaret Dalzell 60
Caroline M L Dalzell 26

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1040; Folio: 55; Page: 37; GSU roll: 827480.

his occupation looks like barrister not in employment

address 26 Cavendish Place

Ages way out for all of them though but the enumerator did do some crossing though on their entries.

Thanks so much for looking Shirley - very much appreciated :-)

I am going round in circles and not picking them up. Tried with just christian names living Berkshire but nothing remotely like the surname Dalzell or soundex

Thanks Shirley, yes I have that info. Was just wondering if someone could locate them in the Census.... Perhaps they aren't there. :-)

seeing that her mum was Legh and its the right area this may be her probate

Name: Caroline Margaret Legh Dalzell
Probate Date: 12 Sep 1906
Death Date: 30 May 1906
Death Place: Berkshire, England
Registry: Oxford

Spinster of Wallingford Berkshire died 30 May 1906 probabe Oxford 12 September to Charles Morrell esq effects £30000.1s


A lot of money for those days

His daughter Caroline died in 1906 and she was the informant. I just can't see them in the Census?