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Hi. In the hope there is an expert on London railway companies out there i want to pose this question. My ancestor John Dyer was a platelayer in Bethnal Green in 1885 ( written on his marriage certificate) and then in 1888 he is a railway platelayer and living at 7 Grove Terrace, Elm Road, Leytonstone ( his job as stated on his daughters birth certificate). As he does not appear on any census before 1891 i thought i could trace him through his job. Does anyone know what railway company he would be working for or are there any suggestions you can make?
Many Thanks
nick

How old was he on his marriage cert ?
and what was his father's name ?


Could this be him ?

Household: 1881

Edward W. DYER Head M Male 58 Poplar, Middlesex, England Platers Laborer
Jane M. DYER Wife M Female 48 Hampshire, England
Edward DYER Son M Male 31 Poplar, Middlesex, England Riveter (Rly Carriage)
>>>>>>>>>>> John DYER Son Male 23 Bromley, Middlesex, England Riveter (Rly Carriage)
Esther DYER Daur Female 21 Suffolk, England Tailorist
Alfred DYER Son Male 17 Limehouse, Middlesex, England Sai(lor)?
William DYER Son Male 15 Limehouse, Middlesex, England Errand (Boy)?
Maria DYER Daur Female 13 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar
Walter DYER Son Male 11 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar
Jane DYER Daur Female 8 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar
Isabella DYER Daur Female 5 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar

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Dwelling 10 Elizabeth Place
Census Place London, Middlesex, England

Hello Mike
It only says "full" when he married in 1885 in Bethnal Green but i know he was born in Bridgwater ,Somerset in 1849. He married Sarah Ann Stock so the man above is not him. His father was a William Dyer, a carpenter. They are very difficult to find. They only appear together in 1851 census in Wales . There are unfortunately alot of people called Dyer but thaks for trying
nick

So was that his 2nd marriage in 1885 ?

Nicholas, have you looked at www.railwayancestors.org.uk. which is a site specifically set up for queries such as yours.

I have thought he was older than usual at that time to get married for the 1st time but i don`t see how i can prove it either way. As i say he and his father are very difficult to find and that is why i thought i`d trace him back to Wales through his railway work. Easier said than done i think. As i say only in 1851 do William and John appear together.There are other brothers but they are always in Wales. have briefly looked at railway sites on the internet but i get the impression i need to find the nearest railway company to his address and then move on from there
Thanks

On the marriage certificate is he a bachelor?
If so, then he has not been married before.

My hubby sugests you email the national railway musuem in york

good luck

;-)

if you are looking for his birth could this be it:

Name: John Dyer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1849
Registration district: Bridgwater
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 10
Page: 372

Yes,it does say bachelor so that is one thing settled. I will contact the Railway Museum. I have to go now so thanks everyone for their help i will see what happens.
Cheers
nick

Leytonstone [opened 1862] and Bethnal Green [opened 1872] was on the Great Eastern Railway [GER] until 1923 when it became the London North Eastern Railway [LNER]

if he was a Platelayer [they are still called that in some areas] then he will have worked for one of those, if the 1881 census above is correct then it looks like he may have worked for a company that made the rail carriages, not the railway itself

Is this the 1851 census you refer to??

1851 census transcription details for: 3, Brown's Buildings, Newport

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2452 Folio: 340 Page: 12

Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport
Parish: Enum. District: 2A
Ecclesiastical District: St Woollos City/Municipal Borough: Newport
Address: 3, Brown's Buildings, Newport
County: Monmouthshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation , Disability Where Born
DYER, William Head Married M 27 1824 General Labourer Bridgwater Somerset
DYER, Ann Wife F 29 1822 Bishops Stanton Devonshire
DYER, William Son M 3 1848 Barnstaple Devonshire
DYER, John Son M 2 1849 B Water Somerset
DYER, Ann Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851 Newport Monmouthshire

It's worth looking at the Railway records on Ancestry. He may be listed and it will give the Company he worked for, if so.

Is this him in 1891??
1891 census transcription details for: 8, Ashlin Road, West Ham, Stratford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1314 Folio: 81 Page: 50

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Stratford
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls City/Municipal Borough: West Ham
Address: 8, Ashlin Road, West Ham, Stratford
County: Essex

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born
DYER, John Head Married M 42 1849 Labourer Bridgewater Somersetshire
DYER, Sarah Wife Married F 27 1864 Hampstead Essex
DYER, Alice Daughter F 7 1884 Leyestone Essex
DYER, Lily Daughter F 3 1888 Leyestone Essex

If the 1891 above is correct he was George J in 1901 a LAbourer and John George 1911 a Navvy and General Labourer.

Mmmmm - marriage on BMD shows Charles John to Sarah Ann Stock 1884

CAn you show a census that you have him on please

Hi Stuart,

this is the FreeBMD marriage:

Marriages Jun 1885 Bethnal Green 1c 357
Brown Tamar
Dyer John George <<<<<<<<<
Perkins Charles William
Stock Sarah Ann <<<<<<<<<<

Ah! That one doesn't show up on FMP and what a coincidence that both the names come up with just the years difference.

Looks like a transposition error for the FMP record:

Name: STOCK, Sarah Ann
Registration District: Help Bethnal Green
County: London
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1C
Page No: Help 375 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

hi. Sorry,just been able to check your messages. Yes Stuart that is him in 1891,1901 and 1911. He also used the middle names George and William which i think has added to my problems because there is a chance he used different names at different times.
Patricia, thanks for the railway company information. That is the next step i want to take. Just to add to the confusion i think i have found William Dyer on the 1891census in Goring, oxfordshire aged 70 as a carpenter but living with railway Platelayers which makes me think he is also working for the railways. On Ancestry he is listed as aged 40 though. I can`t load up the census for you as i`m not that good at doing things like that.As you can see tracing them back to Wales won`t be easy . I have checked Ancestry for Railway staff but it does not seem to give much information.If there are no more ideas from any one i just want to say Thanks very much
nick

? The 1891 you refer to
1891 census transcription details for: High Street, Goring

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 988 Folio: 44 Page: 24

Reg. District: Bradfield Sub District: Bucklebury
Parish: Goring Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: Goring City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Goring
County: Berkshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born
BENNETT, Joseph Head Married M 41 1850 Platelayer Railway Upper Basildon Berkshire
BENNETT, Jane Wife Married F 40 1851 Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, William Gno Son M 11 1880 Scholar Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, Florence M Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, Ada G Daughter F 3 1888 Goring Oxfordshire
POKES, Thomas S Lodger Single M 41 1850 Agricultural Labourer Goring Oxfordshire
BOALEY, Arthur F Lodger Single M 17 1874 Railway Porter Hungerford Berkshire
DYER, William Lodger Widower M 70 1821 Carpenter Bridgewater Somersetshire