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There are John Dyer's on the UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1963, but not really have anything to do with plate laying/rivetting in the right areas

John Dyer
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1844
Residence Date: Jun 1870
Station: Deptford Wharf
Company: London, Brighton and South Coast
Class Number: 414
Piece: 773
Description: Traffic staff: register of appointments 1838 - 1874
He's a Truck Horse Driver

John Dyer
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1851
Residence Date: Nov 1884
Station: Three Bridges
Company: London, Brighton and South Coast
Class Number: 414
Piece: 777
Description: Traffic staff: register of appointments 1846 - 1894

I think Three Bridges is in Surrey, near Horsham. This John is a Shunter.

The following is a Plate layer, but he was knocked down and killed, so not yours
John Dyer
Residence Date: 13 Mar 1882
Company: Midland
Class Number: 491
Piece: 1058
Description: Register of accidents to Company´s servants and others not in Company´s service 1875 - 1888

Hello Patricia. My wifes family were carpenters on the railway and because they are always on the census we can follow them easily from Yorkshire to London. My ancestor John Dyer had two Brothers, William and Lot. Even as young as 13 they are in Wales away from their family.No sign of John or parents ,William and ann .Ithink it will remain a mystery and i will just have to accept they didn`t like appearing on the census. The only clues i have are that William and Lot live around Chepstow and Tidenham in the 1880 and 1890`s. In 1886 i have found a record of a William Dyer, a carpenter of Tidenham putting his sick wife ,Ann into the workhouse in Chepstow while he" searches for work". This information gives me clues but as i say i think i may be stuck and i find it frustrating i cannot even find a death for William. It`s like they don`t want to be found.I have made a note of your suggestions. Thanks
nick

Looking at my family of railway workers on the census' I have I noticed that thye all put the occupation followed by the word railway ie Platelayer Railway.

Which makes me wonder if the 1891 census posted by Stuart above means he's working for a carriage company rather than the railway itself, however the railways did [and do] have carpenters.thye built the signal boxes for one thing.

The other thing is the fact that where he is in Goring means he's on the Great Western Railway [GWR] although workers often moved around the country, they nearly always stayed within the same railway company.

HI Stuart. Yes thats him although i can`t prove at the moment it`s my William Dyer. It`s just a clue to follow and i do have reason to think he was alive after 1887. I do not know when he died though. I have ordered many death certificates and i have not found him yet.I have just looked up possible records for Great Eastern Railway and they may not have records for 1885-1887 so i may be stuck after all. I`ll have to think about it for a while.
cheers

? The 1891 you refer to
1891 census transcription details for: High Street, Goring

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 988 Folio: 44 Page: 24

Reg. District: Bradfield Sub District: Bucklebury
Parish: Goring Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: Goring City/Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Goring
County: Berkshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born
BENNETT, Joseph Head Married M 41 1850 Platelayer Railway Upper Basildon Berkshire
BENNETT, Jane Wife Married F 40 1851 Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, William Gno Son M 11 1880 Scholar Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, Florence M Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Goring Oxfordshire
BENNETT, Ada G Daughter F 3 1888 Goring Oxfordshire
POKES, Thomas S Lodger Single M 41 1850 Agricultural Labourer Goring Oxfordshire
BOALEY, Arthur F Lodger Single M 17 1874 Railway Porter Hungerford Berkshire
DYER, William Lodger Widower M 70 1821 Carpenter Bridgewater Somersetshire

hi. Sorry,just been able to check your messages. Yes Stuart that is him in 1891,1901 and 1911. He also used the middle names George and William which i think has added to my problems because there is a chance he used different names at different times.
Patricia, thanks for the railway company information. That is the next step i want to take. Just to add to the confusion i think i have found William Dyer on the 1891census in Goring, oxfordshire aged 70 as a carpenter but living with railway Platelayers which makes me think he is also working for the railways. On Ancestry he is listed as aged 40 though. I can`t load up the census for you as i`m not that good at doing things like that.As you can see tracing them back to Wales won`t be easy . I have checked Ancestry for Railway staff but it does not seem to give much information.If there are no more ideas from any one i just want to say Thanks very much
nick

Looks like a transposition error for the FMP record:

Name: STOCK, Sarah Ann
Registration District: Help Bethnal Green
County: London
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1C
Page No: Help 375 <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Ah! That one doesn't show up on FMP and what a coincidence that both the names come up with just the years difference.

Hi Stuart,

this is the FreeBMD marriage:

Marriages Jun 1885 Bethnal Green 1c 357
Brown Tamar
Dyer John George <<<<<<<<<
Perkins Charles William
Stock Sarah Ann <<<<<<<<<<

If the 1891 above is correct he was George J in 1901 a LAbourer and John George 1911 a Navvy and General Labourer.

Mmmmm - marriage on BMD shows Charles John to Sarah Ann Stock 1884

CAn you show a census that you have him on please

Is this him in 1891??
1891 census transcription details for: 8, Ashlin Road, West Ham, Stratford

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1314 Folio: 81 Page: 50

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Stratford
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 18
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls City/Municipal Borough: West Ham
Address: 8, Ashlin Road, West Ham, Stratford
County: Essex

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born
DYER, John Head Married M 42 1849 Labourer Bridgewater Somersetshire
DYER, Sarah Wife Married F 27 1864 Hampstead Essex
DYER, Alice Daughter F 7 1884 Leyestone Essex
DYER, Lily Daughter F 3 1888 Leyestone Essex

It's worth looking at the Railway records on Ancestry. He may be listed and it will give the Company he worked for, if so.

Is this the 1851 census you refer to??

1851 census transcription details for: 3, Brown's Buildings, Newport

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2452 Folio: 340 Page: 12

Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport
Parish: Enum. District: 2A
Ecclesiastical District: St Woollos City/Municipal Borough: Newport
Address: 3, Brown's Buildings, Newport
County: Monmouthshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation , Disability Where Born
DYER, William Head Married M 27 1824 General Labourer Bridgwater Somerset
DYER, Ann Wife F 29 1822 Bishops Stanton Devonshire
DYER, William Son M 3 1848 Barnstaple Devonshire
DYER, John Son M 2 1849 B Water Somerset
DYER, Ann Daughter F 0 (6 MOS) 1851 Newport Monmouthshire

Leytonstone [opened 1862] and Bethnal Green [opened 1872] was on the Great Eastern Railway [GER] until 1923 when it became the London North Eastern Railway [LNER]

if he was a Platelayer [they are still called that in some areas] then he will have worked for one of those, if the 1881 census above is correct then it looks like he may have worked for a company that made the rail carriages, not the railway itself

Yes,it does say bachelor so that is one thing settled. I will contact the Railway Museum. I have to go now so thanks everyone for their help i will see what happens.
Cheers
nick

if you are looking for his birth could this be it:

Name: John Dyer
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1849
Registration district: Bridgwater
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 10
Page: 372

My hubby sugests you email the national railway musuem in york

good luck

;-)

On the marriage certificate is he a bachelor?
If so, then he has not been married before.

I have thought he was older than usual at that time to get married for the 1st time but i don`t see how i can prove it either way. As i say he and his father are very difficult to find and that is why i thought i`d trace him back to Wales through his railway work. Easier said than done i think. As i say only in 1851 do William and John appear together.There are other brothers but they are always in Wales. have briefly looked at railway sites on the internet but i get the impression i need to find the nearest railway company to his address and then move on from there
Thanks

Nicholas, have you looked at www.railwayancestors.org.uk. which is a site specifically set up for queries such as yours.