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Can anyone help me to find a birth the the above who was my great grandmother. Christening has mother Sarah listed as parent, but have been unable to identify a birth. On the 1851 census she is listed with grandparents Richard and Esther and an aunt. It states Susannah granddau 1847 Tealby. I assumed maybe illegimate but on her marriage to Robert Etches in 1870 Southwell, Notts it states father Richard, bailiff. Can anyone help?? Thanks

She may not have been registered...There were no penalties to do so until 1875 ish

It wasn't unknown to make up a fathers name to save face when marrying .kept them honourable with the in-laws !!

If her baptism only shows a mums name then it high,y likely she was illegitimate coupled with the fact that grandparents are looking after her , Mum may have been in live in domestic service.

thanks guys, I did wonder if this was the case but was not entirely sure.

although Richards wife name differs this looks like them on the 1841 as well as the 1851

1841
Name: Richard Dawson
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Tealby
Hundred: Walshcroft (South Division)
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:Kirman Lane

Occupation:ag lab

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Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Market Rasen
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 646
Book: 4
Folio: 22
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Dawson 45
Mary Dawson 42
Susan Dawson 20
Ann Dawson 11

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 646; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Tealby; County: Lincolnshire; Enumeration


1851

Name: Richard Dawson
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Esther Dawson
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Hainton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Tealby
Ecclesiastical parish: Walshcroft
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address Leather Mills

Occupation:farm lab

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Market Rasen
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 2115
Folio: 52
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Dawson 53
Esther Dawson 53
Mary Dawson 22
Susannah Dawson 4

Is Dawson the Grandparents surname too ?

Tree on ancestry does not mention a daughter called Sarah although there was one called Susan born 1821

It also says Richard dies in 1855??

looks like Richard right reg district
Name: Richard Dawson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1855
Registration district: Caistor
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 480

Esther has had to find employment

1861
861 England Census about Esther Dawson
Name: Esther Dawson
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Market Rasen
Town: Market Rasen
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:13 King Street

Occupation:House servnat

Condition as to marriage:widow

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Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Market Rasen
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 2394
Folio: 44
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Coleman 45
Esther Dawson 65

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2394; Folio: 44; Page: 3; GSU roll: 54296

possible death
Name: Esther Dawson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1866
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Lincoln
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 285

this looks promising
Name: Richard Dawson
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Hester Foster
Marriage Date: 2 Feb 1818
Marriage Place: East Torrington, Lincolnshire, England

East Torrington is in the Caister district

So the 1841 census i posted is another Richard & not your family will leave it there just so other helpers wont post the same one

It would appear that as she was brought up by her grandparents, it's her grandfather's name she has put forward in place of a father.

Do you have the marriage cert for 1870 ?

Was it definitely her that married Robert Etches?.
Could it have been her mother also called Susannah ? ( which would make the father's name correct)



Found this and it's too old for the granddaughter

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Deaths Jun 1879
ETCHES Susanna - 49 - Stow on W. 6a 275

1891

Name: Susan Etches
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robt Etches
Gender: Female
Where born: Tealby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington
Robt Etches 56
Susan Etches 65 >>>looks like 45
Albert Etches 20
Edgar Etches 16
Arthemise Etches 11

Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%)
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Etches Robert 58 St. Saviour 1d 122

1911
Name: Susannah Etches
Age in 1911: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Tealby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Mansfield
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: The Linden Chesterfield Rd Mansfield
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Mansfield
Registration District Number: 428
Sub-registration district: Mansfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 20350
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Watson 38
Susannah Etches 63
Mary Bostick 24

Edgar Dawson Etches 1875 died 1911 married with 7 children,youngest 1 year old twins.

How sad and difficult for the wife left behind.

Maryb.

Wonder if this is her ? ( name illegible so not recorded )

Caistor covers Tealby district


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Births Jun 1847

Dawson * Caistor 14 4_6

Thanks guys what a lot of information, Edgar Dawson was my grandfather and yes he left a bunch of children and a wife when he died. The two youngest, twins were sent to Barnardos and didn't return home until they were 14. I think it possible that the birth in 1847 illegible could be Susan/Susannah as she was not born in 1826 as the census indicates. Still comes back to a probable illegimate birth and her Grandfather and grandmother brought her up.

I did mention that the age looked more like 45