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Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Belinda	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:34
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Hi everyone. I am thoroughly confused at the moment. Can anyone please help me, maybe I am overlooking the obvious I dont know. Census 1881. Emmanuel James B.1851c. Hd Hunslet Yorkshire (my Gt.Gt.Grandads Brother) Elizabeth is his mother from Worcestershire Jane Woodin stated as niece Worcestershire Marriage Dec 1881 Emmanuel James to Jane Woodin. Hunslet Yorkshire. Emmanuel was born in Cheshire then the family moved to Worcestershire. I am trying to find out how she is a niece, who her parents were and was it the same one he married. I am a bit confused at the moment ..was this legal if she is his niece? Any thing would be appreciated. :-S Belinda.
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:38
	For reference... Household Record 1881 British Census Search results \| Download Previous Household Next Household Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Emmanuel JAMES Head M Male 29 Cheshire, England Railway Guard Elizabeth JAMES Mother M Female 51 Worcester, England Jessie JAMES Sister Female 13 Worcester, England Jane WOODIN Niece U Female 26 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England Dress Maker Source Information: Dwelling 10 Paradise Terr Census Place Hunslet, York, England
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:41
	1871 England Census about Jane Woodin Name: Jane Woodin Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Abel Woodin Mother's Name: Sarah Woodin Gender: Female Where born: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Bromsgrove County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Registration district: Bromsgrove Sub-registration district: Bromsgrove Household Members: Name Age Abel Woodin 43 Sarah Woodin 40 Jane Woodin 16 Mary A Woodin 11 Ann Woodin 9 Mary E Woodin 6 Walter A Woodin 1 1861 England Census about Jane Wooddin Name: Jane Wooddin Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Abel Wooddin Mother's Name: Sarah Wooddin Gender: Female Where born: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England Civil parish: Bromsgrove County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Registration district: Bromsgrove Sub-registration district: Bromsgrove ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 133 Piece: 2114 Folio: 16 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Abel Wooddin 33 Sarah Wooddin 29 Eliza Wooddin 9 Jane Wooddin 6 Margarett Wooddin 1 William Jeynes 46 (Lodger)
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Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:44
	Marriages Jun 1851 (>99%) Giles Sarah Bromsgrove 18 329 Woodin Abel Bromsgrove 18 329
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Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:45
	Just for info Name: Jane Woodin Birth Year: abt 1855 Age: 26 Marriage or Bann Date: 12 Dec 1881 Parish: Hunslet, St Mary The Virgin Father's Name: Abel Woodin - brick and tile maker Spouse's Name: Emmanuel James - claims to be a widower - railway guard Spouse's Father's Name: Henry James
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Member Since: December 2002 Posts: 10,007 Send Message	Vera	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:45
	1861 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOODDIN, Abel Head Married M 33 1828 Agricultural Labourer Bromsgrove Worcestershire VIEW WOODDIN, Sarah Wife Married F 29 1832 Bromsgrove Worcestershire VIEW WOODDIN, Eliza Daughter F 9 1852 Bromsgrove Worcestershire VIEW WOODDIN, Jane Daughter F 6 1855 Bromsgrove Worcestershire VIEW WOODDIN, Margarett Daughter F 1 1860 Bromsgrove Worcestershire VIEW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 2114 Folio: 16 Page: 23 Registration District: Bromsgrove Civil Parish: Bromsgrove Municipal Borough: Address: Burcott, Bromsgrove County: Worcestershire REgards Vera
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:50
	Hmmm, well it clearly states "Niece" on the 1881 image. Edit: I wonder if that was error on the part of the enumerator?
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Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	20 Dec 2011 19:57
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Emmanuel is clearly down as head on 1881, but could Jane actually be his mother's niece? What was his mum's maiden name? Who did his father's sisters marry (if any)? A list of "forbidden" marriages: http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570145.html#Toc115570255
Member Since: December 2002 Posts: 10,007 Send Message	Vera	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:00
	1871 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES, Henery Head M 41 1830 Worcestershire VIEW JAMES, Elizabeth Wife F 41 1830 Worcestershire VIEW JAMES, Emanuel Son M 20 1851 Cheshire VIEW JAMES, Thomas Son M 18 1853 Cheshire VIEW JAMES, Jane Daughter F 15 1856 Worcestershire VIEW JAMES, Sarah Ann Daughter F 11 1860 Worcestershire VIEW JAMES, John H Son M 9 1862 Worcestershire VIEW JAMES, Jessie Daughter F 3 1868 Worcestershire VIEW JAMES, William Son M 0 1871 Worcestershire VIEW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 3070 Folio: 61 Page: 13 Registration District: Droitwich Civil Parish: Dodderhill Municipal Borough: Address: Shaw Lane, Dodderhill County: Worcestershire Possible Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Broomfield Esther Bromsgrove 18 381 >>>>>>>JAMES Henry Bromsgrove 18 381 Lammas Maria Bromsgrove 18 381 Parker Frances Bromsgrove 18 381 >>>>>>Price Elizabeth Bromsgrove 18 381 PROBERT Phebe Bromsgrove 18 381 Rea John Bromsgrove 18 381 Wanklin John Bromsgrove 18 REgards Vera
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 1,789 Send Message	Diamonds-R-A-Girls-Best-Friend	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:01
	Could this be a connection ??????????????? Name: JAMES, Emmanuel Registration District: Help Droitwich County: Worcestershire Year of Registration: 1872 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume No: Help 6C Page No: Help 447 MarriageFinder™: Emmanuel James married one of the following people Help BOURNE, Emma view record GILES, Rosanna view record
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Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:05
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Another possible marriage: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1852 ??James Elizabeth Worcester 6c 319 ??James Henry Worcester 6c 319 Jones John Worcester 6c 319 Jones Mary Ann Worcester 6c 319 ?? Could there be a family history of "close" marriages?
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:17
	So in fact...........if she was the niece of Emmanuel's mother, they were possibly cousins.
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Belinda	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:17
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Hi, Thanks to everyone whose looked, and replied so quickly. Emmanuels Mother maiden name was Price. Sisters of Emmanuel Jane married William Moore1877 droitwich Sarah Ann married William Fowler Jessie married George Thompson 1888 droitwich ( I think) I think Emmanuel first wife may have been Rosanna Giles (m.1872) Just wondering where the niece fits in.
Member Since: June 2007 Posts: 31,288 Send Message	PricklyHolly	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:25
	?? 1911 census - household transcription Person: THOMPSON, Jessie Address: 53 Chambers St Crewton Derby THOMPSON, George Frederick Head Married M 43 1868 Green Grocer Worcestershire Stoke Prior VIEW THOMPSON, Jessie Wife Married 22 years F 43 1868 Worcestershire Wyekbold VIEW THOMPSON, Albert James Son Single M 20 1891 Green Grocers Assistant Nottingham Radford VIEW THOMPSON, George Frederick Son Single M 17 1894 Green Grocers Assistant Derbyshire Weston on Trent VIEW THOMPSON, William Henry Son M 13 1898 Green Grocers Assistant Derbyshire Derby VIEW LESTER, Ellen Servant Single F 22 1889 General Servant Domestic Derbyshire Alvaston VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 20863 Reference: RG14PN20863 RG78PN1246 RD435 SD1 ED3 SN36 Registration District: Derby Sub District: Osmaston Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Derby Address: 53 Chambers St Crewton Derby County: Derbyshire (3 children born and living)
	Researching: "If I don't see you through the week.........I will see you through the window". :o))
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Belinda	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:48
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Oh God, so looking at the list given to me by Marie Celeste, it appears he should not of married his niece, This is becoming murkier bythe minute. Its giving me a right flaming headache. Families, hey Thanks prickly holly for the info on Jessie's marriage really useful. Belinda.
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:50
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Belinda, I'm not convinced that she was actually his niece, but perhaps his cousin? Abel Woodin married Sarah Giles. Emmanuel married Rosanna Giles. Is that the connection?
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Belinda	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:58
Member Since: January 2006 Posts: 152 Send Message	Oh goodness thanks I will definatley look into this . Gee I dont know why but I felt like a criminal...LOL.. Thanks so much to everyone Merry Christmas to you all. :-) <3
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	20 Dec 2011 20:59
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	Possible 1851 connection as sisters? GILES, James Head Married M 44 1807 Brick Layer Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, Mary Wife Married F 39 1812 Bromsgrove Worcestershire ?GILES, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 At Home Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, Martin Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Nail Maker Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, James Son M 12 1839 Nail Maker Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, Emler Daughter F 7 1844 At Home Bromsgrove Worcestershire ?GILES, Rossa Daughter F 2 1849 At Home Bromsgrove Worcestershire NEAT, Leavery Lodger Unmarried M 18 1833 Nail Maker Bromsgrove Worcestershire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Bromsgrove Civil Parish: Bromsgrove Address: High Street, Bromsgrove County: Worcestershire
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	20 Dec 2011 21:06
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	By 1861 Sarah would be married to Abel: GILES, James Head Married M 52 1809 Bricklayer Bromsgrove Worcestershire Lickey GILES, Mary Wife Married F 49 1812 Sidemoor Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, Emma P Daughter Unmarried F 17 1844 Linthurst Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, Rosanna Daughter F 10 1851 Long Eye Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, Sidney Son M 5 1856 Bromsgrove Worcestershire GILES, Emanuel Apprentice M 15 1846 Bricklayer Apprentice Bromsgrove Worcestershire LEWIS, Richard Father In Law Widower M 79 1782 Pauper Bromsgrove Worcestershire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Bromsgrove Address: Stourbridge Street, Bromsgrove County: Worcestershire
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	MarieCeleste	Report	20 Dec 2011 21:07
Member Since: July 2008 Posts: 18,042 Send Message	So it looks like Jane Woodin was the daughter of Sarah Giles, who was the sister of his first wife Rosanna. By law (but not by blood) Jane was his niece. No worse, I think, than cousins marrying.

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