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SylviaInCanada
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3 Nov 2011 23:53 |
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it's really very strange
I can only find Ephraim on the 1851 Census
I've found his purported father, and a couple of siblings on the 1841, still lviing in Clyffe Pypard
But no sign of an Ephraim
No sign of him on later censuses
No sign of a death registration for an Ephraim, except for that one in 1914.
No sign of an Ephraim being born between 1851 and 1914 to account for that death registration
There is the death of a Thomas Ephraim Sp*ckman, but nothing for an Ephraim as only forename.
and Ephraim does not seem to have had a second name that he could have decided to use.
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3 Nov 2011 23:35 |
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Just clearing up some things
child Amelia Sarah Coveney died young
London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 about Amelia Sarah Coveney
Name: Amelia Sarah Coveney Record Type: Burial Estimated Death Date: abt 1834 Burial Date: 2 Mar 1834 Age: 1 Year 8 Months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East Borough: Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex
Address:- Princes Street
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3 Nov 2011 23:22 |
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I assume this is Ephraim's baptism
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Ephraim Spackman
Name: Ephraim Spackman Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1817 Christening Date: 16 Mar 1817 Christening Place: Cliffe Pypard, Wiltshire, England Father's Name: Benjamin Spackman Mother's Name: Mary
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3 Nov 2011 23:19 |
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I keep coming back to this one that patchem found ............... which is the ONLY Ephraim Sp*ckman that shows up
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Ephraim Spackman
Name: Ephraim Spackman Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1914 Registration district: St George in The East Inferred County: London, Middlesex Volume: 2 Page: 145 (click to see others on page)
There is no way to find out any more without buying the certificate, unfortunately.
I wonder if Ephraim just abandoned Ann and the family??
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3 Nov 2011 22:07 |
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What a mystery! Thank you. Haven't got the birth cert but will try to get it. will keep trying to find Ephraim but am not very hopeful.He seems to have vanished off the face of the earth.
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3 Nov 2011 17:17 |
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Elizabeth, Sylvia has pointed out that Albert could have reverted to his original name of Coveney, as he is not Ephraim's son, but Ann's from her first marriage. Ephraim and Ann married in 1836, Albert was born in 1835. Have you got your ancestor Tom's birth certificate which should show his Mother's maiden name as (probably) Shearman.
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Elizabeth
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3 Nov 2011 16:35 |
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Thanks for all your help. I just don't know where else to look for Ephraim and Albert!!
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SylviaInCanada
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3 Nov 2011 04:26 |
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Prisoners are usually shown by initial sonly
and there are lots of a c on all censuses!
is it possible that he could have gone back to his birth name of Coveney?
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3 Nov 2011 04:19 |
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In the 1851 Census, Albert Speckman is a Blacksmith, b. ca 1835, St George, Middlesex
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3 Nov 2011 04:18 |
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?????????????????????/
from ancestry
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Albert Coveney
Name: Albert Coveney Date of Trial: 12 Jun 1854 Trial Year: 1854 Location of Trial: Middlesex, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image
Crime:- Larceny from Person Sentence:- 4 years
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3 Nov 2011 04:12 |
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Albert Thomas Coveney
Name: Albert Thomas Coveney Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1834 Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1834 Father's Name: Albert Granvill Coveney Mother's Name: Ann Amelia Coveney Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East Borough: Tower Hamlets
Born 25 May 1885 Address:- Princes Street Father occupation:- Brewers' Servant
it does not say that Albert Granville is deceased.
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3 Nov 2011 04:09 |
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???????????????????????? possible ?????????????
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Historical Records Albert Grenville Coveney England Marriages, 1538?1973 marriage: 26 Sep 1831 Spitalfields Christ Church,?Stepney,?London,?England
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Albert Grenville Coveney
Name: Albert Grenville Coveney Spouse Name: Ann Amelia Shearman Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1831 Parish: Christ Church, Spitalfields County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets spouse: Ann Amelia Shearman from image:-
Albert Bachelor "Of This Parish"
Ann Amelia Spinster "Of This Parish"
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Amelia Sarah Coveney
Name: Amelia Sarah Coveney Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1832 Baptism Date: 29 Jul 1832 Father's Name: Albert Grenville Coveney, Labourer Mother's Name: Ann Amelia Coveney Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East Borough: Tower Hamlets
Born 13 June 1832 Address:- Princes Street
London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980 about Albert Granwill Coveney
Name: Albert Granwill Coveney Record Type: Burial Estimated Death Date: abt 1834 Burial Date: 16 Feb 1834 Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810 Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East Borough: Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex
Address:- Princes Street
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3 Nov 2011 03:58 |
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Do you have Ephraim's marriage?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ephraim Spackman
Name: Ephraim Spackman Spouse Name: Ann Anelia Coveney Record Type: Banns Marriage Bann Date: 04 Sep 1836 Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch County: Surrey Borough: Hackney
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Ephraim Bachelor "Of This Parish"
Ann Widow "Of This Parish"
Witnesses:- Jacob Camp and Jane Sherman
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2 Nov 2011 22:02 |
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There is this death, no image available, not showing on free bmd, makes him rather elderly: Ephraim Spackman Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1914 Registration district: St George in The East Inferred County: London, Middlesex Volume: 2 Page: 145
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2 Nov 2011 21:37 |
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Is his wife claiming unmarried in 1861? 1861 England Census Ann Spakeman Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: St George, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St George in The East County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 101 Piece: 281 Folio: 118 Page Number: 17
Elizabeth Thompson 34 unm Ann Spakeman 48 '' Thomas Spakeman 10 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 281; Folio: 118; Page: 17; GSU roll: 542606.
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2 Nov 2011 21:34 |
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Yes, thats the daughter Ann.
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2 Nov 2011 21:30 |
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Ann is on her own in 1861 Ann Speckman Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: St George in The East Civil parish: St George in The East County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Occupation: parasol maker Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 3 Piece: 281 Folio: 110 Page Number: 1 Ann Speckman 18 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 281; Folio: 110; Page: 1; GSU roll: 542606.
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2 Nov 2011 21:24 |
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Name: Ann Amelia Sarah Spachman Spouse Name: Francis David Mayers - foreman on docks Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 29 Aug 1864 Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Ephraim Spachman - cow keeper Spouse Father Name: Francis Mayers
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2 Nov 2011 21:22 |
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I think 1839 is when Harriet was born?
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Harriet Ann Spackman, spinster - office cleaner Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Spouse Name: Charles Gooding, widower - cooper Spouse Age: 47 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 21 Jun 1886 Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Ephraim Spackman (deceased) Cow Keeper Spouse Father Name: Elizah Gooding (deceased) - Carpenter
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2 Nov 2011 21:21 |
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Ephraim is deceased by this marriage: Harriet Ann Spackman Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Spouse Name: Charles Gooding Spouse Age: 47 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 21 Jun 1886 Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Ephraim Spackman Spouse Father Name: Elizah Gooding
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