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Sorry only just seen Valaries last posting and thank you this is most helpful x

Hi All,

Thank you once especially for al the look up's in NZ and you must be right about Lorna and Sidney (Mick) as this would be correct with the letter home 1954 stating he had got married. Can anyone tell if they had any children at all?

Thank you,

Vicky. :-)

Hi Vicky -

in case this helps .... the 'National Library of NZ' (on-line) has an 'Ask Us'
librarian service .... they will check their records including electoral rolls (past & present) and newspaper death notices.

Valerie (WAus)

you're very welcome :-)

with how they recycled and piled up those names, I would not be surprised if they were all known as 'Mick' or 'Black Bart' or 'Auntie Wiggles' most of the time !

I have now had a bit more time to digest this info and I now believe that Mick has to be Sidney Arthur 1954 who married Lorna and this ties in nicely with the letter of 1954. They said they has one on the way which I still need to trace but this information has been brilliant.
Gosh knows how you get to Mick from Sidney? but this appears to be correct.

The 4 addresses in NZ I shall write to as I believe this will be a good worthwhile exercise. I shall also look at Ancestry as I am also a member there as well.

Thank you all once again I have really enjoyed recieving all this info.

Vicky xx :-D

Dear All,

Firstly thank you and sorry for any confusion with Michael or Mick the only two things I had to go on was my mother's recollection from her mother which is a long time ago. I also have the letter post marked 1954 from Mick in New Zealand saying he had got married to Lorna so I guess Mick or Michael is possibly Sidney Arthur William MOGER in 1954.' this would make sense?

;-)

I have dashed in from work to see any progress and I shall sit quitely and try to puzzle this all out further and certainly as there are only 4 Mogers and the addresses are avialable I shall write to them all. It all became increasilying confusing with names and two brothers marrying two sisters and as there was apparently a fall out within the family and my grandad meeting an early death at just 39 years we didn't know what happened. So thank you for all that has kindly helped and as soon as I hear further I shall let you all know if you wish.

Many thanks,

Vicky. :-D

BLACKMORE L F 1932 F 1953 Glasgow New Zealand New Zealand

a total of 12 Blackmores travelled from Glasgow to NZ in 1953

finally a trace of the travel to NZ

Name: James S A Moger
Mother's Maiden Surname: Warren
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1927
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 568

MOGER James Sydney Arthur 1927 M 1947 Southampton New Zealand New Zealand


I suspect that Sidney A Moger travelled too but the name is mistranscribed so I can't find it :-)

such a mix-up of the same names used over and over ...



Vicky is the only reason you believe there was a Michael Moger the fact that you have a letter signed by 'Mick' ?

that really is what you should be saying if so



in any event ... there are only the four Moger telephone listings in NZ at present and at least one if not all of them has got to be related, why not contact ?

our real problem here is that we don't actually know what you are wanting to do, I think

Births Jun 1867 ... father
Moger Arthur Walmsley Edmonton 3a 155

Marriages Sep 1891 ... father
Moger Arthur Warmsley Hackney 1b 938 ( Eliza Dimond )

Deaths Sep 1925 ... father
Moger Arthur W 58 W. Ham 4a 276


I can't find a birth for son Arthur in the 1911 at all


Births Mar 1903
Moger Alexander Sidney W. Ham 4a 518
Marriages Mar 1927
Moger Alexander S Warren W.Ham 4a 225

no death in England/Wales


'death for a Alexander Sydney Moger(b 28 Feb 1903) in 1977' in NZ

certainly seems to be the person in question

but who is

'The only MOGER on the NZ Marriage disc has a Lorna Frances BLACKMORE married a Sidney Arthur William MOGER in 1954.'

is he Sidney A Moger born 1932 in Epping ?

he was married to

'There is a death on NZ BMDs fo r Lorna Frances Moger(b 2 Jun 1931) in 1985 ref 33163'

so it seems much more likely that it was Sidney 1932 who married Lorna Blackmore

I wonder whether one of the other brothers was 'known as' Mick and there was no Michael at all?

( possibly they were of Irish background ? Alma for instance married a McCullough and a McBreen )

I can't find any Mogers going to NZ ( or Australia ) on findmypast passenger records at all

Sidney Arthur William MOGER actually sounds like possibly a son of one of the 1911 household sons ... they were rather old to marry in 1954 ...


for info the family in 1901 ( to rule out an older son Michael )

Arthur Moger 33
Eliza Moger 30
Arthur Moger 9
Ethel Moger 6
Ernest Moger 4
Rose Moger 1 (the source of Alma's middle name ? )


one of the Moger-Warren couples had a son Sidney

Births Mar 1932
Moger Sidney A / Warren Epping 4a 545

... no marriage or death in England/Wales

MOGER S Unknown 1949 Southampton South Africa South Africa ??

Goodmorning. The only MOGER on the NZ Marriage disc has a Lorna Frances BLACKMORE married a Sidney Arthur William MOGER in 1954. Regards Pat

Well, now Im lost

I thought the question was about Michael Moger, of which no details have been found?

Where have you got Michael Moger from please Vicky?

Hi Vicky, thanks for the message, but it's okay and easiest just to reply here :-)

you say you don't know whether Alma Mack is your Alma ... well she is the only Alma Moger there has ever been !

Name: Alma R Moger
Mother's Maiden Surname: Warren
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1928
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 528

Name: Alma R Moger
Spouse Surname: Mcbreen ... William F
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1949
Registration district: Southend On Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1413

Name: William F Mcbreen
Mother's Maiden Surname: Lomax
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1925
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 245

( I don't see a death for Mr McBreen but he would be 86 )

Name: Alma R Mcbreen
Spouse Surname: Mack
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 5h
Page Number: 347


the names are too unusual for these to be any other people and the death record for Alma Rose Mack shows a birthdate that matches the birth record of Alma R Moger

Great stuff that helps because Alexander is the brother of Michael and I believe he married Violet Warren in 1927 and then the trial went cold this must be because he went to NZ.

I know Michael went and he married Lorna because we have a letter telling the rest of the family that he has got married and has one on the way the letter is pos marked 1954. :-D

Thank you all once again.x

Hi Vicky
Checked NZ BMDs again and found a death for a Alexander Sydney Moger(b 28 Feb 1903) in 1977
Checked on feeBMDs and found
Alexander Sydney Moger, b Q1 1903 so I think it this person you are lookiing for in NZ and not Michael who we can find no trace of
The only trouble with this theory is that Chrissiex found a marriage for Alexander S - Perhaps he divorced his wife or she died and he then went to NZ

Thank you for all your hard work in seaching for me, I do very much apprecaite this. I knew the two brother had also ammrried two sisters and I wasn't sure but I felt that Emla may be the daughter of Alexander but couldn't prove it.

This is really excellent thank you so very much I shall now try to digest all this.

Many, many thanks, Vicky.

Arthur Moger and Alexander Moger both married women named Warren

Marriages Mar 1921
Moger Arthur J / Warren W. Ham 4a 375
Warren Nellie / Moger W.Ham 4a 375

Marriages Mar 1927
Moger Alexander S / Warren W.Ham 4a 225
Warren Violet / Moger W.Ham 4a 225

perhaps you know whose child Alma was

there are 6 Warren Moger births in West Ham including Alma in the 1920s
followed by 3 Warren Moger births in Epping in the 1930s

remember that the very first thing to do at this site is search family trees to see whether anyone has your names in their trees

a member has

Alma Moger 1929 Chingford

which is certainly the same person

on the second marriage at Ancestry someone has added a note to the husband

Name: Antony G Mccoulough
[Antony G Mack] 'added an alternate name'
Spouse Surname: Mcbreen
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 5h
Page Number: 347

it was added in July of this year so you could probably contact the person via the Ancestry private message system

you can do that with a 14-day free trial if you are not subscribed

Moger is certainly not a common surname

there are 4 listings in NZ

http://whitepages.co.nz/whitepages

you might just send letters !