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Thanks for that information Kim it was really kind of you to look this family up for me. I can now update my records.

I have just had a look at my tree and I do not know who Martha Gray was. I will have to look into her a bit more and see if i can find a connection.

Thanks again
Jane

Jane, those two baptisms (Mary Ann & James Gray) were definitely in Rawcliffe, chapelry of Snaith. Mary Ann was baptised on 7 Dec 1856 by Rev'd Mr W Barstow. The address of John and Hannah was given as Airmyn Pastures.

James was baptised 17 Apr 1858 by Revd William Smith. They were living in Rawcliffe by then.

Unfortunately, the film I was looking at did not have the marriages (and it's possible they married in another parish if she was well-advanced in pregnancy or just delivered of Mary Ann.

I also noticed the burial of a Martha Gray of Rawcliffe aged 51 on 1 Sep 1857....I wonder if she was his mother?

Best wishes

Kim in 'ull

Thanks Kim

It was really kind of you to try Hull LDS for me.

All the best

Jane

Sorry Jane, the Hull LDS does not stock the Rawcliffe registers. I expect the originals are across in the Beverley Archives and if I go anywhere near there in the next week or so, I'll have a look for those baptisms and the 1856 marriage for you.

I think you can be confident about the baptisms Dea found on familysearch: they are extracted from the parish registers and those records are generally very accurate. Unfortunately, the various entries submitted by church members are not so reliable :-(
Best wishes

Kim in Hull

Thanks Dea and mgnv.

So they were Gray's then.

Thanks for your help

Jane

I did a search in the library catalog at FS. Specifically, I searched for
Source Film Number: 991096
that Dea gives in her post, and found:


Title Bishop's transcripts for Rawcliffe, 1631-1878
Authors Church of England. Chapelry of Rawcliffe (near Snaith, Yorkshire) (Main Author)

Notes Microfilm of mss. in the Borthwick Institute, York.
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Rawcliffe is a chapelry in the parish of Snaith.

Note Location Film
Christenings, marriages, and burials, 1631, 1635, 1640, 1757, 1758, 1773-1792, 1796-1800, 1808, 1811-1878 (marriages to 1836 only). FHL BRITISH Film 991096

The BTs are not the original parish records, but a supposedly identical copy (the church`s own back up copy).

I think the baptisms have proved that they are their children and I am sure Kim will confirm this for you.

Best of luck.

Dea x

I have to go to the dentist now. Thanks again everyone for your help

All the best

Jane

Thanks Kim.

Dea they are also at home with John and hannah on the 1871 census.
James married Alice Elvidge and Mary Ann Married William Batty. I have James marriage cert and it states his father was John Gray.

Maybe I'm making all this too complicated and they are in fact John and Hannahs children, But it would be nice to prove it.

Thanks again Everyone

Jane

Here they are in 1861 - moved to Airmyn, near Goole

GRAY, John Head Married M 28 1833 Agricultural Labourer
Burton
Lincolnshire VIEW
GRAY, Hannah Wife Married F 28 1833
Rawcliffe
Yorkshire VIEW
GRAY, James Son M 3 1858
Rawcliffe
Yorkshire VIEW
GRAY, Mary Ann Daughter F 4 1857
Rawcliffe
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
3528 Folio:
10 Page:
13

Registration District:
Goole Sub District:
2 Goole Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:

By the way, the correct registration district for Rawcliffe (East) is Goole - I have checked YorkshireBMD and it appears that the births were not registered :-(

Yes please Kim

That would be very kind of you. It would be really great to get to the bottom of this problem once and for all.

Thank you very much for your kind offer.

All the best

Jane

There are two Rawcliffes: one is a parish northeast of York (North Riding) and one near Goole (East Riding). I am going to the Hull LDS church family history centre tomorrow (Tuesday). They may have the Rawcliffe (East Riding) parish registers on film, if so, would you like me to doublecheck the references from familysearch for you. Sounds as if you might have been looking at the wrong Rawcliffe!

Best wishes

Kim in Hull

I am baffled Jane!

How have you got to these people?

What other info do you have on them please?

Dea x

P.S.

Isn't it just West Yorkshire records which are on-line on Ancestry? - This is East Yorkshire we are looking for.

Dea x

Thanks Dea I didnt know that.

Its strange though how I cant find them in hte actual parish records?? I will have to keep on looking. Everything else points to the children being Grays except I cant find that birth cert.

All the best

Jane

'Yes, and No' Jane!

This is the new site (was called the Pilot site).

All these records are extracted, with references, and so are correct!

Yes, on the previous site some were 'submitted' which are certainly NOT to be trusted! ;-)

Dea x

Thank you Dea for helping me

Familysearch is the mormon site where you have to take most things they say with a pinch of salt. I have not found any proof of those baptism dates anywhere to confirm that they are correct. Yorkshire records are online at ancestry but I could not find either child on them.

Thanks again for your help Dea. I really do appriciate your help.

Jane

Baptism's from this site Jane:

https://www.familysearch.org/

Sorry - I should have said!

Dea x

Thank s Dea and GlitterBaby

Maybe they didnt register their births. Dea where did you get the baptism dates from please.

John and Hannah Gray possibly had a third child William. this child was registered but unfortunately died. I will send for the cert shortly to make sure this child is John and Hannahs. (Source Yorkshire parish records). It seems strange that they would register one child and not the others. Also I couldnt find James and Mary Ann in the parish records for Rawcliffe.

Thanks again

Jane

Well, they were baptised as Gray / Grey ........

Mary Ann Gray
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Dec 1856
Baptism/Christening Place: RAWCLIFFE BY GOOLE,YORK,ENGLAND

Father's Name: John Gray
Mother's Name: Hannah

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10941-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 991096
Reference Number:
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James Grey
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Apr 1858
Baptism/Christening Place: RAWCLIFFE BY GOOLE,YORK,ENGLAND

Father's Name: John Grey
Mother's Name: Hannah

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10941-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 991096
Reference Number:
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Dea x