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hi looking for joseph james who married mary ann reid in 1886.
his mrriage certificate says he was a widower so i am looking for his first wife, they may have lived in gloucestershire chipping campden.
his father was i think john james , joseph was born in 1842 as far as i can see any help would be great thank christine

Try looking at the 1881 census.........it's free

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For INFO....is this the family in 1891?

Name: Joseph James
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: May Ann James
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Cornforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Cornforth
Town: West Cornforth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Sedgefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4055
Folio: 121
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph James 49
May Ann James 36
John Wm James 15 *********
Joseph James 14 **********
Alice James 12 *********
Margart Ellen James 9 *********
Arthur James 6 ********
George James 2
Joseph James 11/12

**************ALLhave surname REID

Corrections submitted to Ancestry

I've been looking ........but havn't found him in 1881 yet!!

Is this the family in 1891??

1891 England Census
about Joseph James
Name: Joseph James
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: May Ann James
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Cornforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Cornforth
Town: West Cornforth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Sedgefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4055
Folio: 121
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph James 49
May Ann James 36
John Wm James 15
Joseph James 14
Alice James 12
Margart Ellen James 9
Arthur James 6
George James 2
Joseph James 11/12

Is this him in 1891 please?

Apart for the 2 youngest children the other children have the surname Reed on the actal image.

Name: Joseph James
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: May Ann James
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Cornforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Cornforth
Town: West Cornforth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Sedgefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4055
Folio: 121
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph James 49 Fireman in Coal Pit
May Ann James 36
John Wm James 15
Joseph James 14
Alice James 12
Margart Ellen James 9
Arthur James 6
George James 2
Joseph James 11/12

You say you have the cert of the marriage to Mary......yet you only 'think' his father was John...

What does it say about him on the cert?

1891 census children not born in Gloucershire when looking for them in 1881 if they are the right family
Name: Alice James
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph James
Mother's Name: May Ann James
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Cornforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Cornforth

Name: John Wm James
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph James
Mother's Name: May Ann James
Gender: Male
Where born: Byen Green, Durham, England
Civil parish: Cornforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Cornforth
Town: West Cornforth
County/Island: Durham



Name: Joseph James
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph James
Mother's Name: May Ann James
Gender: Male
Where born: Coxhoe, Durham, England
Civil parish: Cornforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Cornforth
Town: West Cornforth
County/Island: Durham

1881 here they are Mary's children
Name: John W. Reid
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Reid
Mother's Name: Mary A. Reid
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 116 Harrowby St

Name: Alice Reid
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Reid
Mother's Name: Mary A. Reid
Gender: Female
Where born: Manch, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
John Reid 29
Mary A. Reid 26
Emma Reid 6
John W. Reid 5
Joseph Reid 4
Alice Reid 2
Arthur Reid

1871

Name: Joseph James
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma James
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Pillowell
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 167
Piece: 5299
Folio: 40
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph James 29 Coal Miner
Emma James 26
Eliza James 5
Thomas James 3
Jim James 6 Months
Sarah Robins 54 Mother-in-law


Marriages Mar 1865
James Joseph Monmouth 11a 33
Robbins Emma Monmouth 11a 33

East Dean is at the opposite end of Gloucestershire to Chipping Campden.

Assuming the birthplace of 'Camden' he gives in 1901 is supposed to be CC......and is remotely accurate

His occupation in 1891 is Fireman in Coal Pit

1881 this one is a coal miner
Name: Joseph James
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma James
Gender: Male
Where born: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: West Dean
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Condition as to marriage: Married
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph James 39
Emma James 36
Thomas James 13
Jim James 10
George James 7
Sarah Robins 64 mother in law

and this one is
Name: Joseph James
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane James
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
[Eastdean]
Civil parish: Westbury On Severn - East Dean
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph James 38
Jane James 34
Eansy James 11
Rose James 9
Frances James 7
Fred James 6
Emma James 4
Minnie James 2

but if it is one of these then wonder where the children are in 1891

1851

Name: Joseph James
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John James
Mother's Name: Harriet James
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Campden, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Chipping Campden
Town: Campden
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Shipston On Stour
Sub-registration district: Campden
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 and 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 2076
Folio: 127
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
John James 35
Harriet James 35
Joseph James 9
Maryann Horton 14

1861

Name: Joseph James
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph James
Mother's Name: Harriett James
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 3981
Folio: 92
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph James 47
Harriett James 44
Joseph James 19 Coal Miner
Aron James 16
Harriett James 11
Caroline James 9
Matilda James 6
Eliza James 4
William James 1

thank u one and all. those in cornforth are accurate
and i think we my be getting there with
joseph and emma very gateful any more on this is always welcome thank you chris

Joseph and Emma are still together in 1901??

Name: Joseph James
Age in 1901: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma James
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: Parkend St Paul
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 4921
Folio: 115
Page Number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph James 59 Coal miner hewer.
Emma James 56
George James 27

it would be very helful to me to find out what year
emma james nee robins died ,i am looking on free bmd but nol uck yet
thanks chris

yes i see so emma is the wrong one, because joseph remarries in1886 to may ann reid so the search continues cheers........

The 1851 looks 'right' for Joseph..........

All family members born in Campden

You haven't answered the question about the marriage cert info concerning the father.................

To clarify.......and eliminate!

This is 1851 for the family rootgatherer posted for 1861.
Name: Joseph James
[Jospeh James]
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph James
Mother's Name: Harriett James
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ayleford, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 2444
Folio: 175
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph James 37
Harriett James 33
Joseph James 9
Aaron James 6
Hannah James 4
Charlotte James 2
Harriett James 7 MO
James Tippins 33

Joseph's parents..................

Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%)
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CHAPPL[LE] Richard Shipston on S 11 358
Ellis John Shipston on Stour 11 358
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>James John Shipston on Stour 11 358
Johnson Elizabeth Shipston on Stour 11 358
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MERRYMAN Harriet Shipston on Stour 11 358
RESTALL Fanny Shipton on Stour 11 358
THORNTON Elizabeth Shipston on Stour 11 358

Same family in 1841?

Name: Harriet James
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Awre
Hundred: Bledisloe
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 350
Book: 2
Folio: 40
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Josiah James 25 Coal Miner
Harriet James 20
Thomas James 2
Richard James 20

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 350; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Awre; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 40; Page: 18; Line: 16; GSU roll: 288763