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Hi,
On the censuses 1891-1911, my great great grandparents Alice 1861- 1926 and William Yeomans 1857 - 1920 of Chorlton Manchester children are listed but on the 1911 census it says that there are 12 children born of which 8 survived. Now all the children listed on the census's up til 1911 bar 1 (James) who was killed in WW1, all lived til marraige and beyond. These were Alice, Edith, Charles, James, William, Frances, May Mona & Elsie (my grandmother and the youngest of the 12) There is no record of any other children that I can find - does anyone know of a way I can trace these children that were born and didnt survive? Did they have to be registered back then? I dont know any of thier names. Any help would be really appreciated as I am at a loss to find them and I think thier burial site may uncover more info for me.
Thanks in advance of any help given
Dickie

look on FreeBMD for births and deaths for the area they lived in . Have you looked on earlier census to see if names are there that arent on the 1911.

Edit have just re read your enquiry and you say all on the census's are accounted for so the lost children must have been between . The only way is to trawl through the births and deaths and maybe buy some death certs, Children are recorded under occupation on the certs as son or daughter of and the fathers names. Depending how many you find it could prove costly.

I dont know if the local Records Office would be a better bet as you can give the fathers name as a check, depends though if they are an Office that does look ups.

Thanks for this. I did a trawlk through infant deaths and couldnt pinpoint as I didnt know thier ages etc. Thanks though I will try the local offices as you suggest using thier Fathers name. x

Hi Dickie

these are the birth and maybe death indexes for Yeoman children born Chorlton district between 1884 and 1911


Births Mar 1885

Yeoman Martha Chorlton 8c 717
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Deaths Dec 1886

YEOMAN Martha age 1 Chorlton 8c 437
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Births Sep 1886
Yeoman Maria Chorlton 8c 696
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Deaths Dec 1886
YEOMAN Maria age 0 Chorlton 8c 435

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Births Dec 1890

Yeoman Thomas Chorlton 8c 711

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Deaths Mar 1891

Yeoman Thomas age 0 Chorlton 8c 540
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Births Jun 1894

Yeoman John Thomas Chorlton 8c 736
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Deaths Sep 1894

Yeoman John Thomas age 0 Chorlton 8c 378
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Births Jun 1894
Yeoman Nelly Hetty Chorlton 8c 707
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Deaths Dec 1895
Yeoman Nelly Ebley age 1 Chorlton 8c 519
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Births Jun 1896

Yeoman John Chorlton 8c 712
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Deaths Jun 1896

Yeoman John age 0 Chorlton 8c 444
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Births Jun 1897

Yeoman Alfred Douglas Chorlton 8c 727
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Deaths Mar 1898
Yeoman Alfred Douglas age 0 Chorlton 8c 431
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Births Sep 1903
Yeoman Minnie Chorlton 8c 739
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Deaths Sep 1904

Yeoman Minnie age 1 Chorlton 8c 460

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I know all these wouldn't have been Williams children --but it may give you some names to work with.

Barbara x

Forgot to say, I looked on "Lancashire online" but couldn't see anything for these children.
Barbara x

what a star you are! thankyou so much xx

In 1891 they are in chesterfield Derbyshire there is mum in law Alice Redman age 63 born Cheshire.
Williams wife down as Annie!!
Annie age 4 born Oct 1886 Chesterfield.
Edith A 1 year 8 months = 1889

William Yeomans married Ann Ramsden in Sheffield O/N/D 1885.

Maryb.

EDIT This is incorrect.

Wonder if I am following the right family then !!

1911 census

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born


YEOMAN, William John Head Married 27 years M 54 1857 Labourer Manchester Corporation Burnage Lancashire VIEW
YEOMAN, William Wife Married F 47 1864 Shropshire VIEW
YEOMAN, William Thomas Son Single M 19 1892 Moter Car Driver Withington Lancashire VIEW
YEOMAN, Edith Annie Daughter Single F 21 1890 Withington Lancashire VIEW
YEOMAN, James Henry Son Single M 13 1898 School Withington Lancashire VIEW
YEOMAN, Charles Son Single M 10 1901 School Withington Lancashire VIEW
YEOMAN, Frank Son Single M 9 1902 School Withington Lancashire VIEW
YEOMAN, May Mona Daughter Single F 6 1905 School Withington Lancashire VIEW
YEOMAN, Elsie Daughter Single F 3 1908 Withington Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23688 Reference:
RG14PN23688 RG78PN1377 RD464 SD1 ED31 SN92

Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Didsbury Enumeration District:
31 Parish:
South Manchester

Address:
13 Rippingham Road Withington Manchester County:
Lancashire

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1901 census

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: William J Yeoman
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Yeoman
Gender: Male
Where born: Burnage, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Withington
Ecclesiastical parish: Withington St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:28 Hill Street

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Didsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 3670
Folio: 107
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
William J Yeoman 43 --carter for U ? Counsil
Annie Yeoman 38
Alice Yeoman 14
Edith A Yeoman 12
William S Yeoman 8
James H Yeoman 2
Charles H Yeoman 6 Months


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3670; Folio: 107; Page: 13.

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1891 census

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: William T Yeoman (it says William J Yeoman on the image)
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Yeoman
Gender: Male
Where born: Burnage, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Withington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Withington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:14 george street

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Didsbury

Household Members: Name Age
William T Yeoman 33 - William J on image) -farm Labourer
Annie Yeoman 27
Alice Yeoman 4
Edith A Yeoman 1
William Carrington 20 --lodger
George Harrell 19 --lodger


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3162; Folio 91; Page 37; GSU roll: 6098272.

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Barbara x

My mistake Barbara,i think yours is the correct family.

1881 Tan Yard farm Chorlton
William Yomen indoor farm servant.

Maryb

Not sure Mary, we will have to see if Dickie gives us any feed back., I think William may have married Annie Haywood ??

Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
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>>>HEYWOOD Annie Chorlton 8c 1066
Hughes Ellen Chorlton 8c 1066
VAUGHAN Edward Thomas Chorlton 8c 1066
>>>YEOMAN William Chorlton 8c 1066

Barbara xx

Hi there, yes barbara you are following the right family - Those were the names of the children i listed in my original post. My great great grandparents are william and annie yeoman (nee hayward, spelt Haywood on the marraige reg). William Yeomans father and siblings were known as 'Yeomans'. Am at a loss to try and find the reason why he dropped the 's' from his surname. If you can help me find details on his parents, grandparents etc, I would be most grateful? I have all the census info you have listed, it was just accurate details of the 4 children they lost between 1886 & 1911. Also, are there any links to a Thomas Hughes around the yeomans or haywards as he is buried in thier grave and I dont know who this is.
Thanks also Mary for helping.
Best regards
Richard Miller

Hi Richard

Have you any dates for Thomas Hughes ?

Barbara x

Hi Barbara

I will check the grave details and come back to you....continued thanks Barbara.x

William John's baptism ........ from beta.familysearch

ww.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: William John Yeomans
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 14 Jun 1857
baptism/christening place: SAINT JAMES,DIDSBURY,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 20 Apr 1857
father's name: John Yeomans
mother's name: Ellen
indexing project (batch) number: C00529-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 559167




sylvia

marriage of John Yeoman(s) and Ellen ??????



Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)

>>>> Leigh Ellen Manchester 8d 452
Nuttall George Manchester 8d 452
Rayson Ann Manchester 8d 452
>>>>Yeoman John Manchester 8d 452





sylvia

could this be one of the children ?

http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx


12/02/1903 Child Of Alice Yeoman Philips Park Cemetery DConsecrated 849 View details

are these your's ? Hughes and Yeoman together
in the same grave

Southern Cemetery UChurch of England 666 1 William John Yeoman 29/05/1920
Southern Cemetery UChurch of England 666 2 Robert Henry Hughes 4/04/1923
Southern Cemetery UChurch of England 666 3 Annie Yeoman 14/12.1926
Southern Cemetery UChurch of England 666 4 William Thomas Yeomen

if you go to the site and click on details there is more information e.g age,relationship . I think it costs about £5 for credits

edit
to say I have changed the grave details for Robert Henry Hughes

looking at that date for Robert Hughes, which is way after William John and Annie were interred, makes me wonder if it was just a matter of there being an grave that was not completely full, with no members of the family known, and a body needing a grave?


In other words, no connection between Robert Hughes and the Yeomans, other than he was buried in the grave.


That did, and does, happen!




sylvia

have just looked up William Thomasas for some reason it is not giving the date on the site , and I think the death is this one


AME:
William T Yeoman
BIRTH:
abt 1892
DEATH:
Sep 1942 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Hi

Good find Quoy--I think this is the Robert Henry Hughes in the Yeoman grave
666

Burial Date Deceased Cemetery Grave Number Grave Details
>>>>>04/04/1923 Robert Henry Hughes Southern Cemetery UChurch of England 666

(if he was in "position 2" in the grave then he would have been burried between 1920 and 1926)

This is the other one in grave 1428
02/09/1977 Robert Henry Hughes Southern Cemetery MRoman Catholic 1428 View details


So Maybe the Birth and Death index for the Robert Henry burried with the Yeomans

Births Sep 1922
Hughes Robert H ----mothers maiden name- Madeley --Chorlton 8c 1424


Deaths Mar 1923

HUGHES Robert H --age 0 ---Chorlton 8c 1087


I may be totaly wrong on this, What do you think, as i can't seem to find a connection between the Hughes / Madeley and the Yeoman family ?

Barbara x