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Mel Fairy Godmother
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17 Aug 2011 10:30 |
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Found her family on the 1841 census.
Father down as Rector Thomas but it is mistranscribed and reads Reuben Thomas Miner (Tin).
1841 England Census about Rector Thomas Name: Rector Thomas Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Cornwall, England Civil parish: St Agnes Hundred: Pyder County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address: Beacon St Agnes
Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: St Agnes Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 149 Book: 1 Folio: 13 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Rector Thomas 40 Mary Thomas 35 Elizabeth Thomas 10 Eliza Thomas 5 Lydia Thomas 3 Sophia Thomas 1 HO107; Piece 149; Book: 1; Civil Parish: St Agnes; County: Cornwall; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 13; Page: 18 Remember Elizabeth would'nt have been born yet.
Another thought about the family on the 1861 where we have Elizabeth Cock at the right age and down as daughter. These girls worked in the mines too, I wonder if she was the daughter of a miner who died and Mary and Reuben took her in as their daughter????????
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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17 Aug 2011 10:11 |
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I do think that Choccy may have found him and it is interesting because there is also a family of Buttlers at the same farm. A John Buttler 28 a labourer born Illogen and his wife Elizabeth born Porthreth and children Will John Buttler 3 and Jos Buttler aged 5 months.
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Martin
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17 Aug 2011 09:58 |
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Hi all, My cousin just got back to me saying elizabeths father was a miner
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Choccy
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16 Aug 2011 14:17 |
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this could be him -
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DAVEY, Thos Head Married M 62 1799 Farmer Of 84 Acres Employing 2 Men And 3 Boys Illogan Cornwall VIEW DAVEY, Grace Wife Married F 60 1801 Illogan Cornwall VIEW DAVEY, Annie Daughter Unmarried F 28 1833 Illogan Cornwall VIEW DAVEY, Betsee Daughter Unmarried F 19 1842 Illogan Cornwall VIEW TREMBETH, Willm Servant Unmarried M 54 1807 Carter Illogan Cornwall VIEW >>>>>BUTTLER, Jos Servant Unmarried M 18 1843 Farm Labourer Illogan Cornwall VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG09 Piece: 1581 Folio: 15 Page: 1 Registration District: Redruth Sub District: 3 Illogan Enumeration District: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Illogan Municipal Borough: Address: Nancekuke, Illogan County:
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Martin
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16 Aug 2011 12:48 |
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Hi all, Im thinking that there are census records missing as cant find him neither
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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16 Aug 2011 12:36 |
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Well spotted Choccy. Now can you find Joseph Butler on the 1861 he is not with his family.
1861 England Census about Stephen Buttler Name: Stephen Buttler Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizth Buttler Gender: Male Where born: Redruth, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Illogan County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Redruth Sub-registration district: Illogan ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 130 Piece: 1581 Folio: 27 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Stephen Buttler 60 Elizth Buttler 59 Jane Buttler 20 James Buttler 16
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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16 Aug 2011 12:30 |
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I wonder if there are census missing for 1861 as I can't find Joseph Butler in 1861 either. I see you have'nt got the 1861 for Joseph on your tree.
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Choccy
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16 Aug 2011 12:19 |
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STRIBLEY, George Head Married M 43 1818 Grocers Butcher Master St Columb Cornwall VIEW STRIBLEY, Ann D Wife Married F 41 1820 St Agnes Cornwall VIEW STRIBLEY, Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar St Agnes Cornwall VIEW STRIBLEY, Kate M Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar St Agnes Cornwall VIEW STRIBLEY, George H Son M 1 1860 St Agnes Cornwall VIEW STRIBLEY, Nany S Daughter F 1 1860 St Agnes Cornwall VIEW COFF, William Servant Unmarried M 16 1845 Butchers Servant Kenwyn Cornwall VIEW >>>>>THOMAS, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 15 1846 House Servant St Agnes Cornwall VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG09 Piece: 1555 Folio: 95 Page: 25 Registration District: Truro Sub District: 3 St Agnes Enumeration District: 15 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: St Agnes Municipal Borough: Address: Vicarage, Goonvrea, St Agnes County: Cornwall
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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16 Aug 2011 12:19 |
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Just had a look on your Ancestry tree and think I can just see M for Miner. I did notice that she was 19 when she married Joseph which would make her year of birth about 1845.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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16 Aug 2011 12:09 |
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Just that it could make a difference if he was anything but a Miner.
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Martin
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16 Aug 2011 11:34 |
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Ive gotta ask my cousin to check for me as she currently has the certificate at the mo
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Choccy
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16 Aug 2011 11:26 |
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Births Dec 1850 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Lydia Truro 9 286
(possibly the Lydia Reed on the 1851 census)
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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16 Aug 2011 11:16 |
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On her marriage cert what occupation have they listed for Reuben please?
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Martin
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16 Aug 2011 11:03 |
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I dont think it is as elizabeths marriage cert says her father is Reuben Thomas
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Choccy
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16 Aug 2011 11:03 |
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the only one I can find is this one -
Rubin Thomas England Marriages, 1538–1973 marriage: 20 Jan 1833 —Saint Agnes Near Truro, Cornwall, England spouse: Mary Reed record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name: Rubin Thomas bride's name: Mary Reed marriage date: 20 Jan 1833 marriage place: Saint Agnes Near Truro,Cornwall,England indexing project (batch) number: M05306-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 916882
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THOMAS, Reuben M 40 1801 Cornwall VIEW (Miner) THOMAS, Mary F 35 1806 Cornwall VIEW THOMAS, Elizabeth F 10 1831 Cornwall VIEW THOMAS, Eliza F 5 1836 Cornwall VIEW THOMAS, Lydia F 3 1838 Cornwall VIEW THOMAS, Sophia F 1 (12 months) 1840 Cornwall VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: HO107 Piece: 149 Book/Folio: 1/13 Page: 18 Registration District: Truro Sub District: St Agnes Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: St Agnes Municipal Borough: Address: Beacon, St Agnes County: Cornwall
not sure why all the different surnames !! but think it's the same family
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THOMAS, Mary Head Widow F 39 1812 House Keeper St Agnes Cornwall VIEW THOMAS, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Work At The Mine St Agnes Cornwall VIEW THOMAS, Sophia Daughter F 9 1842 Errand Girl St Agnes Cornwall VIEW THOMAS, William Son M 7 1844 At Home St Agnes Cornwall VIEW COCK, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1846 At Home St Agnes Cornwall VIEW BEST, John Son M 2 1849 St Agnes Cornwall VIEW REED, Lidia Daughter F 0 (3 MOS) 1851 St Agnes Cornwall VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: HO107 Piece: 1909 Folio: 653 Page: 4 Registration District: Truro Sub District: Saint Agnes Enumeration District: 2P Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: St Agnes Municipal Borough: Address: Bolster, St Agnes County: Cornwall
could Elizabeth (Eliza) have deducted 10 years from her birth year ?
I'm not seeing anything else (or maybe she was the Elizabeth Cock on the 1851 census)
possible death of Reuben -
Deaths Mar 1844 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THOMAS Reuben Truro 9 214
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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16 Aug 2011 10:59 |
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This is the same family on the 1851 so not yours ?
1851 England Census about Elizabeth Thomas Name: Elizabeth Thomas Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Charles Thomas Mother's name: Susanna Thomas Gender: F (Female) Where born: St Agnes, Cornwall, England Civil parish: St Agnes Ecclesiastical parish: Mount Hawke County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: Probus ED, institution, or vessel: 2f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 1909 Folio: 532 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Charles Thomas 35 Susanna Thomas 31 Julia Thomas 12 Richard Thomas 10 Philip Thomas 9 Mary Thomas 6 Elizabeth Thomas 4
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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16 Aug 2011 10:51 |
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1861 England Census about Elizabeth Thomas Name: Elizabeth Thomas Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Susannah Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Saint Agnes, Cornwall, England Civil parish: St Agnes Ecclesiastical parish: Mount Hawke County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: St Agnes ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 34 Piece: 1554 Folio: 55 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Susannah Thomas 42 Julia Thomas 22 Richard Thomas 21 Phillip Thomas 19 Mary Thomas 16 Elizabeth Thomas 14 Mary Hawke 68
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Robin7
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16 Aug 2011 10:41 |
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Im unable to locate them maybe their was a spelling error on the census try messing with the names alittle.
Maybe someone with find my past could do a search for you see what their search turns up.
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Robin7
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16 Aug 2011 10:25 |
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Yes im having trouble finding them
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Martin
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16 Aug 2011 10:24 |
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Yeah it is my tree on ancestry, the 1851 and 1861 census for her is the only ones that is eluding me
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