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Flick I'm sorry if I appear particularly thick but as you can see from my previous experience on threads I seem to repeat myself you refer to "Originally posted on GR on 11 May what happened to your other thread Flynn" what does GR mean, sorry if I sound confused but I am gradually learning with the help of all that have responded.

Thanks Flynn

Jonesy

Witnesses on Frederick Love's and Rosina Chamberlain's marriage certificate are given as F Shaw and A Coleman. Rosina was definitedly Ron's mother.

Flynn

Unfortunately I cannot spot any obvious connection of the witnesses to either Frederick or Rosina,

Here is the Frederick born in Mile End in 1911, living in Edmonton, less than 4 miles from Tottenham:

1911:

LOVE, Fredrick Head Married
17 years M 35 1876 Port Manthean Maker London Mile End
LOVE, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1871 London Mile End
LOVE, Fredrick Son Single M 16 1895 London Mile End
LOVE, Maud Daughter F 14 1897 Essex Walthamton
LOVE, Elsie Daughter F 11 1900 Essex Walthamton
LOVE, Florence Daughter F 7 1904 Essex Walthamton VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7408 Reference:
RG14PN7408 RG78PN358 RD132 SD6 ED1 SN166

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Enfield Enumeration District:
1 Parish:
Enfield

Address:
18 Millais Road Bush Hill Park County:
Middlesex

Witnesses at Frederick Love and Rosina Chamberlain's marriage were F Shaw and A Coleman.

Flynn

???

Births Jun 1895
Love Frederick Arthur - Mile End 1c 511

Name: Fredk A Love
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, London, England
Civil parish: Walthamstow
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Walthamstow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Piece: 1631
Folio: 139
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick W Love 45 Occ Portmanteau Maker
Eliza Love 31
Fredk A Love 6
Maude E Love 4
Elisie E Love 1

1891:
Name: Frederick Love
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Phillips
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Portmanteau Maker, leather

Condition as to marriage: single

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 300
Folio: 14
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hill 54
Mary A Hill 49
Frederick Love 34

1881:
Name: T.W. Love
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Brother in Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End Old Town, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 51 Rutland St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Portmanteau Maker
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 471
Folio: 79
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
James Fitch 31
Florence Fitch 25
Edith Fitch
T.W. Love 24

This request was originally posted on GR on 11th May................what happened to your other thread, Flynn?

???

Name: Frederick Love
Regiment or Corps: Durham Light Infantry
Regimental Number: 44866

Once again, Who were the witnesses at the 1916 marriage?

The birth certificate I have for Frederick Arthur Love is a copy dated 6th March 1925 so this could be it is the wrong one, Frederick Arthur was a closed book who didn't talk about family so there is no way that I can confirm this, however the marriage certificate is correct so I can only assume the birth certifcate isn't. Frederick Arthur did serve in the Durham Light Infantry during the WW1 would he have given his parents name on army papers and has anyone any suggestion how I go about finding out this information? Thanks again for all help receive.

Flynn

P.S. Frederick Arthur was born 1894 typing error.and as he died on 27th December 1967 his birthday month and day could be any time in the year which is frustrating.

Daniel
1891
LOVE, George L Head Married M 47 1844 Boot Machinist Somersetshire
LOVE, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 45 1846 Devonshire
LOVE, George A Son Single M 18 1873 Bootmaker London
LOVE, Daniel Nephew Single M 21 1870 Boot Fitter Somersetshire
LOOSE, Frederick Nephew Single M 10 1881 London

RG number: RG12 Piece: 23 Folio: 136 Page: 54
Registration District: Kensington Sub District: Kensington Town Enumeration District: 33
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Clements
Civil Parish: Kensington Municipal Borough: Address: 308, Lancaster Road, Kensington County: London

Births Dec 1894
Love Frederick Arthur - Pancras 1b 121

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Births Jun 1895
Love Frederick Arthur - Mile End 1c 511


Maybe you have the birth cert of the first one and the marriage cert of another .



Maybe this one if he said he was 32 in 1932


Births Mar 1898
LOVE Frederick Arthur - Bristol 6a 19

Daniel
1881
LOVE, Frederick Head Married M 36 1845 Boot CloserBath Somerset
LOVE, Mary Wife Married F 39 1842 Bath Somerset
LOVE, Amy Daughter Single F 16 1865 Domestic ServBath Somerset
LOVE, Bessie Daughter Single F 13 1868 ScholarBath Somerset
LOVE, Daniel Son Single M 11 1870 ScholarBath Somerset
LOVE, Louisa Daughter Single F 7 1874 ScholarBath Somerset
LOVE, Auther Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Bath Somerset

RG number: RG11 Piece: 2441 Folio: 15 Page: 23
Registration District: Bath Sub District: Lansdown Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Bath Walcot Municipal Borough: Address: 13, Monmouth St, Bath Walcot County: Somersetshire

Daniel
1871

LOVE, Frederick Head M 26 1845 Somerset (Occupation: Boot Closer)
LOVE, Emma Wife F 32 1839 Wiltshire
LOVE, Amy Daughter F 6 1865 Somerset
LOVE, Bessie Daughter F 3 1868 Somerset
LOVE, Daniel Son M 0 1871 Somerset

RG number: RG10 Piece: 2491 Folio: 80 Page: 30
Registration District: Bath Sub District: Lansdown Enumeration District: 4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Trinity Walcot Municipal Borough: Bath
Address: St John Place, Trinity Walcot, Bath County: Somersetshire

is this Charlotte
Name: Charlotte Love
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1956
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 504

doesnt seem the birth and marriage certs are the same person because Daniel dint die till 1936!!

Name: Daniel H Love
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1936
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 469

Name: Rosina Chamberlain
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 409

1901:
Name: Rosina Chamberlain
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thos Chamberlain
Mother's name: Mary Ann Chamberlain
Gender: Female
Where born: Tottenham
Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 1247
Folio: 135
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Chamberlain 58 occ Coal porter
Mary Ann Chamberlain 42
William Chamberlain 19
Mary Ann Chamberlain 16
Ellen Eliz Chamberlain 12
Thos Chamberlain 10
Fred Ch Chamberlain 8
Rosina Chamberlain 6
Stanley Chamberlain 2
Herbert G Chamberlain 3/12

Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Marriages Mar 1916
Chamberlain Rosina Love Edmonton 3a 1165
Love Frederick Chamberlain Edmonton 3a 1165

No birth found for Daniel Henry in the time frame, but......
Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
Love Henry Daniel Bath 5c 671

Fits with the 1901 census details Jonesey found.

this could be Ivy his sister
1911
LOVE, Ivy Inmate Single F 11 1900 School London Strand VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7739 Reference:
RG14PN7739 RD140 SD4 ED7 SN9999

Registration District:
Watford Sub District:
Abbots Langley Enumeration District:
7 Parish:


Address:
Watford Hertfordshire County:
Hertfordshire

London Orphan Asylum Watford

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Daniel Henry Love Name: Daniel Henry Love
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Charlotte Louisa Aldis
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 16 Apr 1892
Parish: St Jude, Kensal Green
County: London
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Frederick Love

Original says that he's a boot fitter as was his father who is deceased. Her father is also deceased who was also a fitter but I can't make out first word.
Address for both is 131 Fernhead Rd.
Witnesses were William Aldis and George Lewis (Love)I think.

Notice when the participants are full age they put birth year same as marriage year. Silly!

Frederick Arthur Love born 1984 ?

... should that be 1894 ?

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Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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Aldis Charlotte Louisa Chelsea 1a 718
Love Daniel Henry Chelsea 1a 718
MURRAY Mary Chelsea 1a 718
TWINE Frederick William Chelsea 1a 718