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Thanks Cynthia...looks like not much sleep tonight!

Thanks Joan have sent you an email about your kind offer...many thanks.

Thanks Choccy,

your help has been wonderful...looks like another piece to add to this thing we call family history.

Helen.

Hi
I have the Birchington Kent CD I will have a look for your Sayers they were a very prominent family there. Is there anything else you want to know?

Hi. This is quite an interesting site to check Mid Kent marriages.



http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/results.php?pg=2


Cx.

Marriage as transcribed KFHS

Thomas Sayers (sic) married Sarah Chapman by Banns on
18 December 1838 at Birchington
They were both recorded as being of full age!
He was a bachelor (otp) son of Edward
She was a spinster (-) daughter of William
Both fathers were labourers
Witnesses William Love, R'd. Busbridge

I can find no baptisms for the couple either in Birchington or Margate.

There appears to be only one likely burial for Sarah Sayer and that is in Bichington dated 7 April 1850. She was stated to be 33 years of age and brought from Margate.

There is a baptism record for a Sarah Chapman in Birchington dated 7 March 1819 daughter of William & Sarah.

it's a wonder I didn't run into you there...

I have the death of Thomas but there is no mention of his 1st marriage,
so yes I would say there were probably no children.

I think I need a bigger shovel..LOL

I would say that, if they had any children then they probably didn't survive because thomas doesn't have any with him in 1851??

There are a lot of births and deaths between 1838 and 1846 in the district of Thanet on FreeBMD.

I have tried checking some of them on familysearch org to see if I can match the parents but nothing so far............

thanks once again Lynski....

????
1841 census (keeping in mind the 1841 age rounding) -

SAYER, Thomas M 20 1821 Kent VIEW
SAYER, Sarah F 20 1821 Kent VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
468 Book/Folio:
5/59 Page:
13

Registration District:
Isle of Thanet Sub District:
Margate Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St John the Baptist Margate Municipal Borough:
Address:
Lawrence House, St John The Baptist Margate County:
Kent

For reference -

Marriages Dec 1838 (>99%)
CHAPMAN Sarah Isle of Thanet 5 621
SAYERS Thomas Isle Of Thanet 5 621

I have found the 1st marriage of Thomas SAYER to Sarah CHAPMAN in Dec 1838 in Isle of Thanet, Kent...

also her death in September 1846, but finding it very hard to try and find if there were any children born to them?

also Sarah's age at death which may help in tracking her birth.

Many thanks if someone can add any information or where I can check.

Thank you Choccy,

that is wonderful news and after so many years you and Lynski have finally found her!

Thank you just some how just doesn't seem enough.

I am so very happy and so glad I finally have an answer....

BRILLIANT work from both of you.

There are two baptisms in St Johns, Margate to Thomas and Eliza. One as above for Caroline Sarah as already posted and brother William dated 18 January 1852.

The details of the marriage in St Johns are as follows:-
12 October 1850 by Banns
Thomas Sayer (Widower) of full age, Labourer, son of Edward, Labourer
Eliza Page (Spinster) of full age, daughter of Thomas, Groom.

Hope this helps

They were both of this Parish.
The witnesses were Caroline Page (sister?) and George Dixon

Hi Lynski,

thanks for checking...I was hoping I may have found it by myself, but couldn't, will just have to keep going back to check.

your input has been wonderful and the name of Caroline Sarah makes more sense than what the cemetery has of Caroline Stella.

Cheers!

That is a baptism record but I cannot find a birth registration?? I have even gone back to 1850 in case she was baptised later??

Maybe her birth wasn't registered??

it may be worth the money....

would be wonderful if that is her.

thank you so very much.

Found this on familysearch.org??


Caroline Sarah Sayer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Margate, Kent, England
parents: Thomas Sayer, Eliza

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Caroline Sarah Sayer
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 24 Jun 1855
baptism/christening place: St. John the Baptist, Margate, Kent, England
father's name: Thomas Sayer
mother's name: Eliza
indexing project (batch) number: I02356-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1866679

yes that is Caroline's mum, dad and step-brother..

thank you

1851 census for reference -

SAYER, Thomas Head Married M 33 1818 Laborer
Birchington Kent
SAYER, Eliza Wife Married F 22 1829
Charing Kent
PAGE, Thomas M 5 1846 Scholar Charing Kent
MAULDER, Stephen Unmarried M 21 1830 Ag Lab St Lawrence
Kent
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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1629 Folio:
263 Page:
19

Registration District:
Isle of Thanet Sub District:
Margate Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Johns Baptist Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Churchfield Cottages, Charlotte Place, St Johns Baptist, Margate County:
Kent

Dear Lynski,

thank you for that...

back to the drawing board.

I have Caroline's 2 marriages in Australia 1873 & 1875 both state she was born in Horsham Victoria, her death was filled in by her 2nd husband in 1906 aged 52, he stated she had lived for 2 years in England and 50 years in Australia, I have not found a birth in Australia so I am checking England,
her father Thomas was from Birchington Kent, her brother William Henry Sayer was born in 1852 in Kent to Thomas Sayer and Eliza Page.

Shipping record's:Thomas Carpenter by trade 34,Eliza-23,children:Thomas-6,William-1 arrived in Australia in December 1852 aboard BOMBAY
Code B- Fiche 020- Page 008.

Thomas aged 6 is Eliza's son (PAGE)

Thomas-38,Eliza-27,children:Thomas-10,William-4 arrived in Australia in November 1855 aboard ANGLESEY Code B- Fiche 101- Page 002.

still no Caroline, her mother died in Australia in 1856, Thomas stated that Caroline was 18 months old.