Find Ancestors

3 Years after my original posting I am still no further forward in my search. If anyone can offer me any advice it would be gratefully appreciated.

I am desperately searching for the birth and marriage of my gg grandfather Joseph 'Parkin' his 'wife' was Annie Julia Bassett (info from the birth certificate of Joseph Frederick Parkin born 21.02.1878).

I have found his death and info on the following census but i cannot find a birth or marriage. I would like to find siblings and parents.

So here's what info i have got.

Death certificate - 27.01.1902 Joseph Parkins of 8 Spencer Street, St George in the North, London, aged 52 years, widow Annie Julia Parkins of same address.

1901 census
RG13 / 313 8 Spencer Street, St George in the East., Middlesex

Joseph Parkin, head, married, 52, Coopers Labourer, born Stepney
Annie Parkin, wife, married, 48, born Stepney
James Parkin, son, single, 19, Public House Barman, born St George in the East,
George Parkin, son, single, 17, Van boy Carman, born St George in the East.
William Parkin, son, single, 15, born St George in the East.
Charles Parkin, son, single, 13, born St George in the East.
Elizabeth Parkin, daughter, single, 11, born St George in the East.
Ellen Parkin, daughter, single, 8, born St George in the East.
Richard Parkin, son, single, 4, born St George in the East.

1891 Census
RG12/286 44 Tait Street, St George in the East, Middlesex.

Joseph Parkins, head, M, 40, Coopers Labourer, born Stepney.
Annie, wife, M, 35, Stay Maker Dress, born Stepney.
Joseph, son, S, 13, Erand Boy Port, born St George in the East.
Thomas, son, S, 11, born St Geo East.
James, son, S, 9, born ST Geo East.
George, son, S, 6, born ST Geo East.
William, son, S, 4, born St Geo East.
Charles, son, S, 3, born St Geo East.
Elizabeth, dau, S, 2months, born St Geo East.
Annie, dau, S, 16, SHopgirl, born St Geo East.
Louisa, dau, S, 15, born St Geo East.

1881 census
(transcription only)
RG11 piece 457 folio 16 page 26
44 Tait Street, St George in hte East, Middlesex.
Jokafer Parker head, mar, m, 30, Cooper Smith, born Mile End.
Ann Parker, wife, mar, f, 26, Staymaker, born Mile End.
Ann Parker, dau, S, f, 7 school, born Mile End.
Lucy Parker, dau, S, f, 5, school, born St Geo East.
Jokafer Parker, son, S, m, 3, born ST Geo East.
Tom Parker, son, S, m, 1, born St Geo East.

If anyone can help me i would be very grateful.

Annie Parkin
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1853 —Stepney, London
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —St George In The East, London, Middlesex, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —St George In The East, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Annie Parkin
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 48
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Stepney, London
record type: Household
registration district: St George In The East
sub-district: St George North
ecclesiastical parish: St Mary St George In The East
civil parish: St George In The East
county: St George In The East, St George North, St George In The East, London, Middlesex

Hi Ann

Thank you...I have him in 1901, 1891 & 1881 but cannot get further back than that. I am somewhat of a novice and any help in searching would be appreciated... just where do you look when you hit a brick wall??

Might be
Birth Joseph Parkin Stepney OND 1852 1c/452
All the children's baptisms and some birth dates are on Ancestry
Regards, Eileen

Many thanks Eileen, I'll see if i can view them :)

Eileen

I have found that birth record before, but I'm not sure how it can help me? Would a marriage record give me any clues? Sadly i don't subscribe to Ancestry & can't afford to at the moment, so i cannot view details on there either.

Thank you for taking the time to give me the information though :)

Possible?

Name: Joseph Parkin
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1849
Baptism Date: 6 Jul 1849
Father's name: John Parkin
Mother's name: Eliza Parkin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth

Original gives date of birth as 6 July, same as date of baptism. Father is a soldier.

Thank you very much Margee

what are the chances of birth certificates being available for this era??

There's this 1871 census:

Mile End Old Town

Eliza Parkins - head - widow - 48 - Milk trade - not known
John Parkins - son - 28 - Porter - Staffordshire
Thomas Parkins - son - 27 - Ostler - Middlesex
William Parkins - son - 24 - milk trade - Middlesex
Joseph Parkins - son - 22 - errand boy - Middlesex
Charles Parkins - son - 17 - Middlesex
Jane Parkins - dau - 10 - Middlsex
James Parkins - son - 6 - Middlesex

These sibling names fit it with the names your Joseph gave to his children.

Ann Julia bassett Oct 1856 Stepney 1c 449

Maryb

Name: Ann Bassett
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 09 Jun 1772
County: Kent
Borough: Greenwich
Woolwich St.Mary Magdaline

This has no other name with it .

I have the birth certificate of Joseph Frederick Parkin, born 21.02.1878, 44 Tait Street.
Father Joseph Parkin a Cooper, Mother Ann Parkin formally Bassett of 44 Tait Street.

I have the Marriage Certificate of Joseph Frederick Parkin & Alice Gingell on 24.02.1901. Joseph lived at 8 Baker Street & Alice at 5 Nelson Street. Jospeh's father is stated as Joseph Parkin, a Cooper & Alice's as John Gingell Deceased.

I also have the Death Cert of Joseph Parkins (the 'S' appears & disappears) 27.01.1902, male 52 years of age, Coopers Labourer, informant Annie Julia Parkins widow of deceased. 8 Spencer Street.

I also have information on most of the Siblings now, but i really would like to try & find the marriage of Joseph & Annie in order to progress backwards.

Many thanks for help so far :)

You can get any BMD certificate after 8/1837

Thank you Ellen,

I was sort of hoping i might be able to find something a bit more concrete before i have to start buying every birth certificate... as i still won't know which one is my Joseph??

What are my options in trying to locate their marriage??

The same family which Christina posted on for 1871. This is 1861
Name Age
Thomas Packer 36 Milkman
Eliza Packer 36
John Packer 17 Milkman
Wm Packer 16
Thomas Packer 14
Joseph Packer 9 born Stepney <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,,,
Charles Packer 6
Jane Packer 6

The image could well read Parkin

A bit of a long shot but what might the possibilities of this being Jospeh & Annie?? Would it be uncommon for children to be born out of wedlock?? And for parents to use different names?

Marriages Sep 1886
BASSETT Sarah Stepney 1c 706
EAST William Stepney 1c 706
MORGAN Charlotte Stepney 1c 706
PARKINS Frederick Stepney 1c 706

Seaham Lass

The info i have on ancestors back to Joseph born 1878 is correct, as i have managed to cross reference it all going back. But i hit this brick wall more that 3 years ago & gave up as i just didnt seem to be able to make any headway on it. But i really would like to go back... it is this particular line of my family that got me started on my tree to begin with...

Registration wasn't compulsory until 1875 and even then not everyone bothered so it might be that their marriage was never registered.

A possible birth is Joseph Parkin Dec quarter of 1852 in Stepney

Hi, if you want to check our Ancstory without suscribing then try your local library, lots of them have free access to Ancestory providing you are a member of the library, which is free.

good hunting. M.

Seaham Lass

I thought that was the case, and as both Joseph & Annie appear to illiterate as in the sign with a 'X' I feel that this might well be the case. I do have Ann's birth Certificate... Ann Julia Bassett born 8.09.1856 at 14 Tait Street, father Frederick George Bassett a Master Shoemaker & mother Ann Elizabeth formerly Warwick.

If it is the case that they never married, where can i go from here to try and confirm the birth of Joseph?