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I am trying to find out the whereabouts of Cecilia Bebell b1871 (nee Farmer) & her daughter Cecilia Clara Bebell b1893 London.

Cecilia married Charles Bebell b1871 in 1892 this was his second marriage.

In the 1901 census Charles was with Ellen Bebell & daughter Ellen.

From this info I assume that Cecilia had died (I can't seem to find out when she did die).

Also where was her daughter Cecilia Clara after her birth which was 17-7-1893.

I am hoping that someone can help me please,

Confused ELSA

I cannot find Charles on 1901 census - can you post the reference please?

Dea x

1911 I presume this on

BURROWS, Ellen Head Widow F 45 1866 London Bermondsey VIEW
BURROWS, John William Son Single M 21 1890 Warehouseman London Newington VIEW
BEBELL, Charlse James Boarder Widower M 45 1866 Moulder London Bermondsey VIEW
BEBELL, Ellen Louisa Boarder F 11 1900 School London Walworth VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1832 Reference:
RG14PN1832 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED14 SN434

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Newington South Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
St Mary Newington

Address:
76 Albany Road

Just for info

Name: Ellen Louisa Bebell
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1899
Baptism Date: 26 Jul 1899
Father's name: Charles Bebell
Mother's name: Ellen Bebell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark


Born 5th July 1899
16 Surrey Square (?)
Charles is a moulder

Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
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Bebell Ellen 23 Southwark 1d 73

Well found on 1911 Glitter Baby!

Can you see them on 1901?

Dea x

Got'em !!!!

1901 England Census
about Ellen Bedell Name: Ellen Bedell
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Bedell
Gender: Female
Where born: Battersea, London, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter, Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Piece: 378
Folio: 18
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Bedell 35
Ellen Bedell 24
Ellen Bedell 2

Dea x

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 378; Folio: 18; Page: 27.

Sorry
I gave the wrong info about Charles birth date it was 1866 not 1871

Thanks Glitter baby for the info on Ellens' Bebells death.
And baby Ellens' birth.

I can't seem to find their marriage.

It seems Charles had three wives,& was widowed twice maybe three times, if he married Ellen.

Elsa.

Charles Bebell
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth 1866 —Walworth, London
residence 31 Mar 1901 —Newington, London, Middlesex, England
census 31 Mar 1901 —Newington, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Charles Bebell
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 35
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Walworth, London
record type: Household
registration district: St Saviour Southwark
sub-district: St Peter Walworth
ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
civil parish: Newington
county: St Saviour Southwark, St Peter Walworth, Newington, London, Middlesex


Charles Bebell
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth 1866 —Walworth, Surrey, England
residence 1881 —Bermondsey, Surrey, England
census 1881 —Bermondsey, Surrey, England
parents: Charles Bebell, Frances Bebell

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Charles Bebell
age: 15
gender: Male
birth year: 1866
birthplace: Walworth, Surrey, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Apprentice (Iron Foundry)
address: 88 Pages Walk
census place: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341127
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 560 / 136
page number:

1901 I keep looking at the family listed as Matin - think that should be Martin

Otherwise no suggestion for them in 1901

Ellen Bebell
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth 1899 —Walworth, London
residence 31 Mar 1901 —Newington, London, Middlesex, England
census 31 Mar 1901 —Newington, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Ellen Bebell
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 2
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Walworth, London
record type: Household
registration district: St Saviour Southwark
sub-district: St Peter Walworth
ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
civil parish: Newington
county: St Saviour Southwark, St Peter Walworth, Newington, London, Middlesex

Ellen Bebell
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth 1877 —Battersea, London
residence 31 Mar 1901 —Newington, London, Middlesex, England
census 31 Mar 1901 —Newington, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Ellen Bebell
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 24
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Battersea, London
record type: Household
registration district: St Saviour Southwark
sub-district: St Peter Walworth
ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
civil parish: Newington
county: St Saviour Southwark, St Peter Walworth, Newington, London, Middlesex

I keep looking at that Matin family too ??????????

Dea x

1881

Charles BEBELL Head M Male 41 Walworth, Surrey, England Engineer (Iron Factory)
Frances BEBELL Wife M Female 43 Bradford, Wiltshire, England
Charles BEBELL Son Male 15 Walworth, Surrey, England Apprentice (Iron Foundry)


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Source Information:
Dwelling 88 Pages Walk
Census Place Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341127
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0560 / 136
Page Number 39

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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Cecilia Clara Martin
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Spouse Name: Timothy Knowles Fenney
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 31 Jan 1920
Parish: St George, Camberwell
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Louis Charles Martin
Spouse Father Name: Timothy Fenney

I think the Martin family is correct.

1911 louis Charles martin 1871
Cecelia 1876 Bermondsey married 19years 10 children 4 died
Cecelia Clara martin 1893/4 Lambeth
Address 4,Buff Place Camberwell.

There is also a tree on Ancestry,
says Cecilia Clara Martin born 17/7/1893 at 6,Granby Buildings Broad Street,Lambeth.

1901 Bloomsbury St george D7 > 31
Louis O (C) Matin (Martin) age 34 deal Porter.
Cecilia 28 Bermondsey
Cecilia 7 Lambeth daughter
Sydney 5 st pancras
Dorothy 3 Soho.

1920 marriage Timothy Knowles Finney married Cecelia Clara Martin 31/1/1920 Camberwell 2b 1g they had 2 sons and 1daughter.
Names dad as Louis Charles Martin.She lived at 55,Westcott Street.

Maryb

Thank you all for the info that you have given me.

I am still trying to get the info of Cecilia Bebell (nee Farmer)& her daughter Cecilia Clara.

I know that Cecilia--- Charles Bebells' wife was his first cousin.

I have the birth certificate for Cecilia Clare giving Charles & Cecilia as her parents.

The difficulty is when the same christian names are given to each generation.

I shall keep trying to find the two Cecilias'

Elsa

1911

MARTIN, Lams Charles Head Married
19 years M 46 1865 Deal Porter London Lambeth VIEW
MARTIN, Cecilia Wife Married F 35 1876 House Duties London Bermondsey VIEW
MARTIN, Cecilia Clara Daughter Single F 17 1894 House Maid London Lambeth VIEW
MARTIN, Sidney Lams Son Single M 15 1896 Messenger London Hampstead VIEW
MARTIN, Dorothy Emily Daughter Single F 13 1898 School London Hampstead VIEW
MARTIN, Alice Rose Daughter F 9 1902 School London Hampstead VIEW
MARTIN, Clara Amy Victoria Daughter F 4 1907 London Camberwell VIEW
MARTIN, Lily Elsie Daughter F 1 1910 London Camberwell VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2491 Reference:
RG14PN2491 RD27 SD3 ED7 SN87

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Camberwell North Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
4 Buff Place Camberwell Road S E County:
London

On the birth cert ificate you have have for daughter Cecilia clara 17/7/1893,what is the address as it is a bit strange it is the exact birth for her in the Martin surname!!
That maybe the reason you aren't able to find them.

Cecilia may have not married Louis Charles Martin but just lived together.

Maryb

looks like he was married before -


1891

MARTIN, Louis C Head Married M 26 1865 Deal Porter
Lambeth VIEW
MARTIN, Jessie A Wife Married F 25 1866
Greenwich VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
388 Folio:
108 Page:
61

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Waterloo Road First Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Johns

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Lambeth Address:
2, Church Street, Lambeth County:
London