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Adding to this post for further information please see my last post for details at the bottom for further information sought.

Am trying to find the 1851 and onwards Census for Ann Fletcher nee Unsworth she was born in Bolton although no parish records are available, not sure where the husband was born, possibly Burscough from the LSD search, but can't be sure as I have no information, hoping the Census might provide some insight.

Marriage: 25 May 1846 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Fletcher - (X), Full Carder Bachelor of Great Bolton
Ann Unsworth - (X), Full Spinster of Great Bolton
Groom's Father: James Fletcher, Weaver
Bride's Father: William Unsworth, Weaver
Witness: William Thorp, (X); James Liptrot
Married by Banns by: Thos. Loxham Curate
Register: Marriages 1846 - 1847, Page 55, Entry 110
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Library

On the 1841 I have Ann Unsworth age 15 with brother Richard both age 15 have not been able to establish whether these two were twins or info on 1841 incorrect. Have checked LDS and On Line Parish Records, no luck.

Marriage: 27 Sep 1846 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Richard Unsworth - (X), Full Grinder Bachelor of Great Bolton
Eliza Morris - (X), Full Spinster of Great Bolton
Groom's Father: William Unsworth, Weaver
Bride's Father: James Morris, Weaver
Witness: William Rogers, (X); James Liptrot
Married by Banns by: Thos. Loxham Curate
Register: Marriages 1846 - 1847, Page 156, Entry 312
Source: Microfilm of register at Manchester Library

On 1851 Richard age 25 and wife Eliza are living at 46 Spring Gardens Bolton and mother Alice at 40 Spring Gardens Bolton father William has disappeard and can't find a death for him. Have not been able to locate Ann Fletcher nee Unsworth and husband John on 1851. Wondering what age Ann is recorded at on the 1851 so can establish whether Ann and Richard were twins?

1841 census
Address Spring Gardens
District Bolton, Western Bolton
Parish Bolton
Administrative County Lancashire
william unsworth 36
alice unsworth 46
elizabeth unsworth 22
ann unsworth 15
richard unsworth 15
nancy unsworth 1
HO 107 / 535 / 8
Note: Think all these ages on the 1841 are not correct. Alice is on the 1851 as Widow age 60, so a four year age gap, although definately the same family.

I know this a big ask but if anyone has the time could they check out the 1851 for Ann Fletcher nee Unsworth for me, I want to see what her age is recorded as. Any help much appreciated.

Chris

Chris

Ages of people over the age of 15 were rounded down on the 1841 census ......... so someone showing as age 15 on that census was actually between 15 and 19

so the fact that your Ann and ehr borther both showed as 15 did not mean that they were twins, nor that a mistake had been made. It was just the rounding down.


of course, just to make life difficult for us, not all enumerators did round down the ages!



sylvia

Thanks Syliva

I had a feeling they were not twins but without evidence showing one must assume. I don't trust any of the ages on the 1841 for this family, however one has to go with what one can find. I do thank you for the information regarding ages on the 1841, I would never have known.

Chris

I've been looking, but can't see anyhting that fits


Could Ann and John have emigrated?



I did note that Ann was put first on the 1841 census ......... I wonder if that means that she was the older child?



sylvia

Chris


have you looked at the actual image of the census?

Just to make sure that the ages were transcriber correctly by the modern-day transcriber




sylvia

Just looked at the index, and no mistake there!


Of course, Alice could have lied about her age ........ if her age on the 1851 is the correct one (69, b.ca1791), then she was 15 years older than William ....... I wonder if she took a few years off her age? Not unknown for that to be done!



Looking again at the 1841, I wonder if all the children were actually William's?

If he is 36, Elizabeth is showing as 22 and that fits with her age of 33 on the 1851 ............... he'd would only have been 14 or 15 when she was born!


I wonder if Elizabeth was Alice's child from before her marriage?



sylvia

Sylvia
As far as I know they did not emigrate, I also thought that as Ann was put first on the 1841 she may have been the older of the two, failing that they were twins. Do not have access to the original of the 1841.

On the 1851 I have Alice as listing her age as 60 not 69, making her 10 years older than William, do not have orig view of this census. That is why I am puzzled about all the ages, the fact that William has gone from the 1851 Census either he died or hopped it which I have not been able to establish from the records available on line.

Do you have the correct 1851 if you have Alice as 69? This is 1851 I have.

1851 England Census
Civil parish: Great Bolton
Town: Bolton Le Moors
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Unsworth 60 (Widower)
Betty Whittle 33 (Daughter) Married
Nancy Unsworth 10 (Grandaughter)
Thomas Whittle 5 (Grandson)
Caroline Whittle 2 (Grandaughter)

I also wondered if Elizabeth was Williams daughter, have not been able to find a marriage for Alice and William, a lot of incorrect information with this family and not helping that no access to records on line to help. That is why I am trying to follow Ann and Richard to try and glean something from them.

Chris

send me a pm with your home email address and I will send you the census image for the 1851


it certainly looks more like 69 on the image, especially when compared with the 0 further down the page.


I also could not find a amrriage for Alice and William on the Lancashire online parish clerks




sylvia

Thankyou Sylvia
I have pm'd sorry not to reply sooner getting my daughter back off to Uni 3hrs drive away, after a wonderful mothers day here in OZ.
Chris

yes, it was Mother's Day here as well!


I've sent the 1851 image

Let me know if you want the 1841 as well



sylvia

Thanks Syliva

You have been so helpful with this, I am in two minds whether it is 69 or 60 but am tending to err on it being 69 for Alice's age as well. That would put a whole different light on things. I would appreciate it if you could send me the 1841 original transcript please. One thing from the 1851 original Alice's place of birth is stated as Goulbourne and Elizabeth's is Chowbent this will give me something to follow up with as long as the records are available on-line.

Regards Chris

Hi,

This maybe John;

1841 England Census
about John Fletcher
Name: John Fletcher
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton West
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 535
Book: 2
Folio: 26
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
James Fletcher 50 >> Cotton Weaver
Mary Fletcher 45
William Fletcher 20
John Fletcher 15 >> Cotton Carder
George Fletcher 10
Ann Fletcher 11
Mary Fletcher 7
Elizabeth Fletcher 10 MO


Address is John Street.

1851 England Census
about John Fletcher
Name: John Fletcher
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Fletcher
Mother's name: Maria Fletcher
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 17 John STreet

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 236
Piece: 2211
Folio: 143
Page Number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
James Fletcher 63
Maria Fletcher 52
Mary Fletcher 18
Elizabeth Fletcher 11
John Fletcher 29 >> MARRIED!!
Ann Fletcher 26 >> Born Bolton, Lancashire, England! DAUGHTER IN LAW
Martha Fletcher 5 >> GRANDAUGHTER!
Richard Hall 22
Ann Hall 21
William Hall 1


So it's looks like they moved in with John's parents.


Dee x

1861 England Census
about Ann Fletcher
Name: Ann Fletcher
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Fletcher
Gender: Female
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emanuel
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 2830
Folio: 55
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
John Fletcher 39
Ann Fletcher 38
Martha Fletcher 14
Lizzie Lancaster 21 >> Sister to John
Marian Lancaster 9 MO


Living next door to Richard Unsworth.......... always pays to check the original image for 1 page each side, very often families stayed very close to eachother....... not like now.


Dee x

The last 2 census above John has recorded the same year of birth, so he's a safer bet than us ladies who sometimes forget our age;

1871 England Census
about John Fletcher
Name: John Fletcher
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Fletcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 126
Piece: 3995
Folio: 39
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
John Fletcher 49
William Richardson 27 >> Son in law
Ann Fletcher 47 >> Bolton
Mary Richardson 24 >> Daughter >. Mary on Orig image
William Richardson 9 Months >. Grandson


Martha's marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cannon Mary Bolton 8c 324
>>>>>>FLETCHER Martha Bolton 8c 324
>>>>>>RICHARDSON William Bolton 8c 324


And from Lancs OPC;

Marriage: 2 Apr 1866 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
William Richardson - Full Joiner Bachelor of 132 Howell Croft
Martha Fletcher - Minor Spinster of 54 Blackhorse St.
Groom's Father: James Richardson, Tailor
Bride's Father: John Fletcher, Over Looker
Witness: James Jones; Ann Nelson, (X)
Married by Banns by: Joseph Farrall Wright
Register: Marriages 1865 - 1869, Page 81, Entry 162
Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library


1881 England Census
about John Fletcher
Name: John Fletcher
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Fletcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Hulme
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 14 Halton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3924
Folio: 78
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
John Fletcher 59
Ann Fletcher 58 >> born Bolton
William Richardson 37
Martha Richardson 35
Martha Ann Richardson 3
Elizabeth Richardson

Thanks Sylvia for the 1841 and Batmans Daughter for the Census on the Fletcher family. Your help is much appreciated.

Chris

I have a death registration for William Unsworth who I thought passed away between 1841 and 1851, it seems he moved from the family home after his children Ann and Richard married both in 1846. Could someone please look up the 1851, 1861, and 1871 Census for Willam please. All I can provide about William is his death registration and the 1841 Census which is at the top of this post. He was not the husband of Alice, but her brother or brother in law. Have not been able to find a birth or marriage for him, hoping the Census with shed some light on that.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: William Unsworth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 73
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 82

Thanks Chris
I have another thread with info going on this family:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1267444

Hi

There is this William born in Bolton, but seemingly 6 years older that yours ....... and seemingly been married since ca 1835

1851 Census

Name: William Unsworth
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Unsworth
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip's
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats

William Unsworth 40 Machine Fitter
Alice Unsworth 40
Alice Ann 16
James Ann 14
Alice Ann 8
William Ann 6
Daniel Ann 4
Amelia Ann 1




The children's surname is Unsworth!




NOTE:- the 1841 does have William b. ca 1805, and a William born ca 1811, both living in Bolton Le Moors


so this is possibly / probably not yours





sylvia

In the 1851 Census, Alice is possibly his second wife ...... look at the difference in age between James and the younger Alice



sylvia

what makes you think that death registration is your William?


There are several William Unsworths born between ca 1800 and 1815 in Lancashire




sylvia