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William Gowing b c 1785/90 d 1850 Kensington. married Mary unknown.
Occupatin 1816 corn chandler and baker.

Children all born in Chelsea are:
Mary Ann 1811
Jacob 1815
Susan 1816 d 1817
Elizabeth 1819
William Thomas 1821
Simon 1824
Emma Jemima 1826
Susan Clears 1828
Charlotte Eliza 1830

I know some of them married before 1841 but I cannot find what I would call the core family in that Census. Williams father was Jacob, b Hopton Suffolk. I am trying to confirm wife Mary but need to find her in 41 or 51 to see where she was born. Can anyone find him/her?

Peter

so this is Charlotte Eliza's baptism from ancestry

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Charlotte Eliza Gowing
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1831
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1831
Father's Name: William Gowing
Mother's Name: Mary Gowing
Parish or Poor Law Union: Chelsea St Luke
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea


from image:-

Born 24 Nov 1830
Father occupation:- Baker
Address:- Silver Street Kensington



sylvia

Charlotte then changed her age when she got married :))


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Charlotte Eliza Gowing
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Spouse Name: Alexander Robertson
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Jan 1863
Parish: Holy Trinity, Paddington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: William Gowing, Baker
Spouse Father Name: George Paterson Robertson



sylvia

No, her birth was Nov 1830, which makes her 22 at marriage - right family but still can't find them in 1841 when I need them

Peter

she declared her age on the marriage certificate to be 22

I looked at the image and that is what was written!

people did (and still do!) lie about their ages on marriage certificates!


She probbaly didn't want to appear older than her groom





sylvia

Sorry - I see what you mean! Ten years different!

Peter

must have been very young looking!

She got her age right in 1881, 1891 and 1901 though.

Can't find her in 1841 or 51 though - perhaps she was indoors preserving her complexion.

P

Nudging in the faint hope that someone can find them during the New Zealand night - probably mis transcribed as Smith!!

Peter

No luck so far...(searching in between boring ol' house jobs, lol)

Chris :)

I have been searching too Chris but I just can't find 'any' of them !!!

Will keep at it....................

Dea x

Still can't find them on 1841 but I wonder if this is the marriage?

Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837
about Wm Gowing Name: Wm Gowing
Spouse: Mary Atkin
Marriage Date: 1809
Parish: Kensington

Dea x

Day: 29

Month: Sep

Year: 1809

Groom Forenames: William

Groom Surname: GOWING

Bride Forenames: Mary

Bride Surname: ATKIN

Place: Kensington

County: Middlesex

Country: England


Record source: West Middlesex Marriage Index

Data provider: West Middlesex Family History Society


Oh well done there Dea!, that looks a strong contender, found it's match on FMP... :-)

Chris :)

edits, to add this one, if related...same parish, down as T...(wonders if this is Holy Trinity, Brompton?)...

Name: Simon Gowing
Spouse: Ann Lockie
Marriage Date: 1812
Parish: Kensington

Well, there you go then - I think this is why we cannot find them - they are NOT on there !!!

Known problems with the 1841 Census:

The following table shows piece numbers where part or all of the piece is missing, as well as piece numbers that were not used.


690 Middlesex Parish: ***Kensington (part)
Townships:
Brompton
Kensall Green (part)

Dea Xxx

Looks like they may have had another child in 1911?

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
about Mary Ann Gowing Name: Mary Ann Gowing
Baptism Date: 31 Mar 1811
Parish: St Luke, Chelsea
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Parent(s): William Gowing,
Mary Gowing
Record Type: Baptism

Dea x

I cannot find Mary on 1851 - I think it is probable that she died before this date??

Dea x

Deaths Dec 1850 (>99%)
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GOWING Mary Kensington 3 254

I saw this this morning, and did wonder...same year as William...

Lol, the missing census, so infuriating that :-))

Chris :)

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18160710-91&div=t18160710-91

A 'nice little find' at the Old Baily Chris!!

It is always nice to have these little 'snippets' to add to the dreary old births, deaths and marriages!

Dea x

Thanks. If the census is missing and they are both dead then it looks as though I'm stuck.

I had found the marriage - need evidence. I wonfer if the Simon marrued 1812 is his brother - is he on a cenxux?

P

1851

GOWING, Simon Head Married M 63 1788 Retired Butcher
Holton
Suffolk
GOWING, Sarah Wife Married F 51 1800
Brentford
Middlesex
GOWING, Simon Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Kensington
Middlesex
GOWING, Joseph Son M 8 1843 Scholar
Kensington
Middlesex
GROVE, Maria Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 Servant
Kensington
Surrey

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1468 Folio:
682 Page:
4

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington Town Enumeration District:
13 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Saint Johns

Civil Parish:
Kensington Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Notting Hill Grove, Kensington County:
Middlesex


Name: Simon Gowing
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1859
Burial Date: 28 Jan 1859
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensal Green All Souls
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
County: Middlesex


Births Mar 1840 (>99%)
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Gowing Simon William Kensington 3 272


Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
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GOWING Simon Strand 1 345


(could be a remarriage to Sarah, but her name is missing on Freebmd list)


Name: Sarah Ann Gowing
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1872
Burial Date: 29 Apr 1872
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensal Green All Souls
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
County: Middlesex