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John Joseph was Mary's child.........nothing to do with William.....hence his being inadmissible to the Army

The plot thickens! Many thanks

1911 3Moss st Cobribdge staffs
Albert wilshaw 1881
France Wilshaw 1884
William brother 1878
Mary catherine Wilshaw 1880 County Down
John Joseph Wilshaw relative age 5 months born 1911 County Down.
On original it is definately written as 5 months.
Beside mary Catherine name it says 2 children 1 died.

Maryb

I think this is Alberts half sister by mary duggan and another man. Family tradition has it that they were both subsequently 'rescued' from the work house by their grandfather Richard Duggan

In the same institute in 1911 there is May Duggan age 8 not known where born.

Maryb

I think John Joseph may have been illegitimate by someone else given Albert was born on the 29th of the same month in the same year? William was certainly in Four Crosses on or around 29 Aug 1904! Could he have been in Belfast approx 25 days previous?!

another illegitimate child! But at least he did the right thing by Mary. So we have some Collins/Wilshaw cousins somewhere. Many thanks again Flick.

There is a WW1 record also.............

On that, he gives details of his wife and her child...........

Married in St Peter's Church, Belfast 22/02/1906 to Mary Catherine Collins

Child........

John Joseph Collins,born Belfast 04/04/1905................Illegitimate, not admissible

Home address 213 King Street, Fenton

Patchem, Emily Duggan could be a sister. Alberts life initially makes very sad reading. Wayward young mother, unknown Father, workhouse.
Thanks for your efforts
Yours
iain

A little more about him.........

Height; 5'8"
Weight; 120lbs
Eyes; Light Grey
Hair; Brown
Religion; RC

Age 19 yrs 9 mths on Aug 31st 1897

Gordon Bennett Flick!! Well done and many thanks..a lot to chew through there. Very many thanks for your hard work and endeavour, my mum will be over the moon. I really cant thank you enough
Yours
Iain

1851?

Name: William Willshaw
[William Wilshaw]
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Willshaw
Mother's Name: Mary Willshaw
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Fenton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Fenton Christchurch
Town: Fenton Culvert
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
John Willshaw 28
Mary Willshaw 2
John Willshaw 8
Henry Willshaw 6
William Willshaw 4
Hannah Willshaw 2
Charels Willshaw 1 MO

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Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
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Reeves Julia Stoke On Trent 6b 303
Wilshaw William Stoke On Trent 6b 303
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1871 census

Name: William Wilshaw
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Julia Wilshaw
Gender: Male
Where born: Potteries, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Fenton
Ecclesiastical parish: Fenton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
William Wilshaw 25
Julia Wilshaw 21
Mary Alice Wilshaw 1 (Mrs Martin in 1891)

pm received

" thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, you're right, William Wilshaws name appears on Albert Duggans Birth Certificate as the father. "

1891

Name: William Wilshaw
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Wilshaw
Mother's Name: Julia Wilshaw
Gender: Male
Where born: Fenton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Fenton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Fenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Wilshaw 45
Julia Wilshaw 42
Francis F Wilshaw 19
Abraham Wilshaw 16
William Wilshaw 13
Albert Wilshaw 10
John H Wilshaw 7
Frederick Wilshaw 4
Herbert H Martin 21
Mary A Martin 22
Julia A Martin 10/12


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British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: William Wilshaw
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age at enlistment: 19
Birth Parish: St Marys
Birth County: Staffordshire
Document Year: 1897
Regimental Number: 5416
Regiment Name: North Staffordshire Regiment
Number of images: 4

Served in South Africa during Boer War 1900-1902.

In UK 1902-1907.......

Discharged Aug 1909, having completed 12 years' service

Father: William
Mother: Julia

Name: Albert Wilshaw Duggan
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1999
Age at death (estimated): 94
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: West Midlands
Register number: C60A
District and Subdistrict: 0771C
Entry Number: 20

Wrong age for Albert in 1911.

Ah I see the connection ...

Births Jun 1905 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Duggan Albert Wilshaw - Cannock 6b 548

So is Emily Duggan totally unrelated, just on the 1911 census as a fellow inmate?