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k
I only have my relatives recolection as being 2 boys, as we all know, memories play tricks, so I cannot be certain that it was 2 boys. which is why I would love to find them on the 1911 census'

Thank you K, I have pmd you.

jan: really, very odd. wish I could see it

would you be able to look for the one detailed above please?

I have found a record of the birth of a Samuel Henry Hall Sept 1/4 1880 Vol 6b Page 568 in Wolverhampton which could possibly be Samuel.

Also, there is another record of a William Henry Hall in Mar 1/4 1909 W'ton. Perhaps this is their other son? named William after Violets father William Palmer and Henry being Samuel's middle name? - could someone look for a William Henry Hall on the 1911 census please? maybe this will shed some light as to why he wasn't with his mother or father?

Thank you

I can send you the 1911 image later today if send with a pm with your email address as I am at lunch at work at the moment . I did find a 3 year old girl as in New Cross without parents but dismissed her becuase she was not male

1911 census above the word single has been written in after form had been filled in -different colour ink so wonder if the enumerator filled it in?

k
would you be able to email me a copy of the 1911 census which Violet is on please?

Do you think she had post natal depression, which is why she was in the workhouse with young Samuel?
I guess the other child was elsewhere? obviously not with its father. and is not with violet's parents. I wonder if the other child was with one of Violet's siblings or already in the cottage homes?

This has opened up so many more questions to be answered....what fun!

I did see a possible death for Samuel but with the middle intial H

Must go now but will check back later

Good Luck Kay

Deaths Mar 1939 (>99%)
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Hall Samuel H 58 Wolverhampton 6b 736

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I have no idea of either of the son's names. my elderly relative couldn't remember them. and thank you for bringing that up again, I had overlooked the reference to a samuel age 1 on the 1911 census above.

What was the other son's name? Violet is listed as having had 2 in 1911 with both living

this gets more interesting by the minute. Violet Mary Matilda Lloyd's grandfather Richard Lloyd was born in Stanton Lacy. It seems that the Hall family also moved to Bilston/Wolverhampton area.

I have been trying to find Samuel's death. Obviously he was alive in 1911 and I know his 2 boys were in cottage homes, wonder why he didn't raise them? Violet didn't die until 1934, this is a long time after 1911 census? and there is no mention of the boys with their father in 1911???

Looks like the family in 1881

Richard HALL Head M Male 36 Stanton Lacy, Shropshire, England Farm Servant
Ann HALL Wife M Female 41 Hornabury, Shropshire, England
George HALL Son U Male 19 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Frying Pan Maker
Lewis HALL Son U Male 17 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Waggoner
William HALL Son Male 14 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Scholar
Mary Ann HALL Daur Female 12 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Scholar
Julia HALL Daur Female 10 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Scholar
Sarah Marth HALL Daur Female 6 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar
Richard John HALL Son Male 3 Willenhall, Stafford, England Scholar
Samuel HALL Son Male 1 Bilston, Stafford, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Queen St 52
Census Place Bilston, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341674
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2815 / 54
Page Number 15

ian. that must be him, address is same as marriage cert. his mother must have married previously as she is down as a widow. must have married her lodger.
Age on 1891 census is correct too.

what is intresting, is that Ann(e) was from Ludlow. which is the exact area of where Violets parents were from.

Thank you K
I will try and have a look at the records at the archives when I next go in.

I wonder why she was in the workhouse in 1911, she only married in 1908!
perhaps the birth of her boys? Perhaps samuel had died young too? why else would the boys go into cottage homes?

possible 1891
Name: Samuel Hall
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann Hall
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Bilston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bilston


Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hall 48 widow
Thomas Walley 38 lodger
Richard Hall 13
Samuel Hall 11

Although listed as single I wonder if this was Samuel? Listed as son of Thomas and Anne

WALLEY, Thomas Head Married M 56 1855 Labourer Bilston Staffs VIEW
WALLEY, Anne Wife Married F 70 1841 Ludlow Shrop VIEW
HALL, Samuel Son Visiter Single M 30 1881 Carter Bilston Staffs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17117 Reference:
RG14PN17117 RG78PN1054 RD369 SD7 ED6 SN177

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Bilston Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Bilston

Address:
3 Back 32 Gozzard St Bilston Staffordshire County:
Staffordshire

New Cross appears to have been a workhouse at the time. This link may help with detials

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Wolverhampton/Wolverhampton.shtml

Samuel Hall 27 years Bachelor Coal Dealer Carter address: 3 Gozzard Street Bilston. Father Richard Hall (deceased) miller journeyman.

Violet Mary Matilda Lloyd otherwise Palmer 21 years spinster of 24 Coven St Wolverhampton Father William Palmer carter

married 11th Feb 1908 The Register office, W'ton.

could you give details from marriage cert for them both i.e ages occupations father's names witness names if you want us to look for Samuel in 1901 census to see if we can find then him in 1911

K, I think that could be her.
An elderly relative remembers that she had some kind of mental illness but thought she was in the workhouse at Stafford (not w'ton). He remembers she had two sons who were took into care "Cottage homes" not sure what happened to Samuel??

Would I be able to find out anything about her time in New Cross Hospital? Are there any records I could be looking at?