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Could someone find me details of a 1911 census please?
Violet Mary Matilda Hall (husband Samuel)
Could have been living in Wolverhampton or Stafford.

Thank you
Dee

Could you give us some idea of her age or birthplace to narrow things down a bit please?

She was born 1886, baptised 2/1/1887 at Aston Botterell Shropshire: Violet Mary Matilda Lloyd (illegitamet). Her mother married William Palmer and she took the name and the family moved to Wolverhampton.
She married Samuel Hall on 11th Feb 1908 in Wolverhampton.
Her address at the time of marriage was 24 Coven st, W'ton (family home). I have no idea where she moved after this. But I think her death record on GRO is in 1934 age 48 Stafford B6 Page 10.
Was hoping to find out a few more of her married family details from the census.
Thanks

1911?? With her is Samuel Hall age 1 - she is listed as married 3 years with 2 children

HALL, Vilot Inmate Married F 24 1887 Shropshire Bridgworth VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17111 Reference:
RG14PN17111 RG78PN1053 RD369 SD6 ED28 SN1

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Willenhall Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
Heath Town

Address:
New Cross Wednesfield Wolverphampton County:
Staffordshire

K, I think that could be her.
An elderly relative remembers that she had some kind of mental illness but thought she was in the workhouse at Stafford (not w'ton). He remembers she had two sons who were took into care "Cottage homes" not sure what happened to Samuel??

Would I be able to find out anything about her time in New Cross Hospital? Are there any records I could be looking at?

could you give details from marriage cert for them both i.e ages occupations father's names witness names if you want us to look for Samuel in 1901 census to see if we can find then him in 1911

Samuel Hall 27 years Bachelor Coal Dealer Carter address: 3 Gozzard Street Bilston. Father Richard Hall (deceased) miller journeyman.

Violet Mary Matilda Lloyd otherwise Palmer 21 years spinster of 24 Coven St Wolverhampton Father William Palmer carter

married 11th Feb 1908 The Register office, W'ton.

New Cross appears to have been a workhouse at the time. This link may help with detials

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Wolverhampton/Wolverhampton.shtml

Although listed as single I wonder if this was Samuel? Listed as son of Thomas and Anne

WALLEY, Thomas Head Married M 56 1855 Labourer Bilston Staffs VIEW
WALLEY, Anne Wife Married F 70 1841 Ludlow Shrop VIEW
HALL, Samuel Son Visiter Single M 30 1881 Carter Bilston Staffs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17117 Reference:
RG14PN17117 RG78PN1054 RD369 SD7 ED6 SN177

Registration District:
Wolverhampton Sub District:
Bilston Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Bilston

Address:
3 Back 32 Gozzard St Bilston Staffordshire County:
Staffordshire

possible 1891
Name: Samuel Hall
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann Hall
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Bilston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bilston


Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hall 48 widow
Thomas Walley 38 lodger
Richard Hall 13
Samuel Hall 11

Thank you K
I will try and have a look at the records at the archives when I next go in.

I wonder why she was in the workhouse in 1911, she only married in 1908!
perhaps the birth of her boys? Perhaps samuel had died young too? why else would the boys go into cottage homes?

ian. that must be him, address is same as marriage cert. his mother must have married previously as she is down as a widow. must have married her lodger.
Age on 1891 census is correct too.

what is intresting, is that Ann(e) was from Ludlow. which is the exact area of where Violets parents were from.

Looks like the family in 1881

Richard HALL Head M Male 36 Stanton Lacy, Shropshire, England Farm Servant
Ann HALL Wife M Female 41 Hornabury, Shropshire, England
George HALL Son U Male 19 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Frying Pan Maker
Lewis HALL Son U Male 17 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Waggoner
William HALL Son Male 14 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Scholar
Mary Ann HALL Daur Female 12 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Scholar
Julia HALL Daur Female 10 Ludlow, Shropshire, England Scholar
Sarah Marth HALL Daur Female 6 Bilston, Stafford, England Scholar
Richard John HALL Son Male 3 Willenhall, Stafford, England Scholar
Samuel HALL Son Male 1 Bilston, Stafford, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Queen St 52
Census Place Bilston, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341674
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2815 / 54
Page Number 15

this gets more interesting by the minute. Violet Mary Matilda Lloyd's grandfather Richard Lloyd was born in Stanton Lacy. It seems that the Hall family also moved to Bilston/Wolverhampton area.

I have been trying to find Samuel's death. Obviously he was alive in 1911 and I know his 2 boys were in cottage homes, wonder why he didn't raise them? Violet didn't die until 1934, this is a long time after 1911 census? and there is no mention of the boys with their father in 1911???

What was the other son's name? Violet is listed as having had 2 in 1911 with both living

I have no idea of either of the son's names. my elderly relative couldn't remember them. and thank you for bringing that up again, I had overlooked the reference to a samuel age 1 on the 1911 census above.

I did see a possible death for Samuel but with the middle intial H

Must go now but will check back later

Good Luck Kay

Deaths Mar 1939 (>99%)
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Hall Samuel H 58 Wolverhampton 6b 736

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Do you think she had post natal depression, which is why she was in the workhouse with young Samuel?
I guess the other child was elsewhere? obviously not with its father. and is not with violet's parents. I wonder if the other child was with one of Violet's siblings or already in the cottage homes?

This has opened up so many more questions to be answered....what fun!

k
would you be able to email me a copy of the 1911 census which Violet is on please?

1911 census above the word single has been written in after form had been filled in -different colour ink so wonder if the enumerator filled it in?