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Fran


those siblings are exactly as shown on the family tree that I found ..... I reckon the tree owner either got confused or does know something about mis-spellings.



sylvia

Thank you Sylvia,
Your suggestion of being listed under another family name where he may have been living is quite possible.
If he was in a Boarding School, I wonder if a census was taken of students and may be missing from the Records.
The only sibling you have mentioned is Catherine (Kate) Wynne who married and moved to South Africa.
Other siblings Amy died 1841; William Percy Wynne died 1849; Emily Lucretia b.1840 can't be found; Sarah Ann died 1845; Watkin b.1846 can't be found.
I did find a Watkin Winne, age 34, with wife Emma on 1880 USA Census. They were born in England and this Watkin was the same age as what our Watkin would have been in 1880. Possibly him.

Thanks again,
Fran

I have looked at all the Public Family Trees on ancestry.

Not one of them has anyhting on Cardinal between 1844, and his marriage in Australia



which indicates to me that he has got himself well hidden on the 1861 and 1861 censuses!

I tried looking under Car* Wynn? where * and ? are wild cards ............ nada!
Just like everyone else!!

I also tried Alex* Wynn?, and Cardinal


I would think that is very possible because he may have been listed under another surname .............. maybe he was living with another family, and the enumerator just thought he was a child of that family




Here are his siblings as shown on one of the trees:-

William Wayne
1838 –

George Wayne
1841 –

Catherine Kate WYNNE
1843 – 1904

Mary Wayne
1843 –



sylvia

Hi to all who have tried to help with locating Cardinal Alexander Wynne. I have really appreciated the information given. Some of it I already did have.

Sadly Cardinal's father William was a drinker and a debtor, and although he came from a wealthy family and trained as a Surgeon, I don't think he would have done much in regards practice. I have found that he did time in Horsemonger Gaol for debts. It appears that when his wife died the children were scattered in various directions; one living with her Uncle William S. Cardinal. It appears that another, Watkin, was in the Camberwell Workhouse. I have no idea of the others except for the ones who died as children.
The C.W. age 7 living at Goodsmans Fields Whitechapel seemed hopeful until found as wrong family.
My feelings are that Cardinal was probably placed in a Boarding School somewhere. By the way, he probabaly didn't know until older that he had never been baptised when a baby. His father had remarried and I don't think had anything to do with any of his children.
Thanks again,
Fran

Has Fran forgotten about this post?
I expect the time diference.


Marion

Sorry, still no joy with Cardinal in the census.

Death:

Name: Amy Wynne
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1841
Burial Date: 21 Mar 1841
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Parish or Poor Law Union: Brompton Holy Trinity
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
County: Middlesex

Name: Sarah Esther Wynne
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1849
Burial Date: 12 Sep 1849
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Parish or Poor Law Union: Nunhead Cemetery, Linden Grove
Borough: Southwark
County: Surrey

Possibly the family in 1841, pre-Cardinal, living in Upper Queen's buidings:

Name: William Wynne
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Kensington
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington

Household Members: Name Age
William Wynne 25 chemist
Sarah Wynne 20
William Wynne 2
Emily Wynne 8 MO

Sibs - in case he's with any of them at census time:

Name: Amy Wynne
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1837
Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1837
Father's Name: William Wynne
Mother's Name: Sarah Esther Wynne
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington Holy Trinity
Borough: Islington

Born July 24th 1837, Father a medical student. Address Barnsbury Terrace.


Name: William Percy Wynne
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1839
Baptism Date: 14 Jul 1839
Father's Name: William Wynne
Mother's Name: Sarah Esther Wynne
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington Holy Trinity
Borough: Islington

Born feb 14th 1839 Father a student in medicine, Address 5, Banbury Terrace

Name: Sarah Esther Cardinal
Spouse Name: William Wynne
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Mar 1837
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington

Theres a bit in here about a ...Cardinal Alexander Wynne who went to Australia,father was a surgeon..William.
Its quite far down..May 2005.

http://books.dreambook.com/treadway/wynne.html

I'm off to bed I'm getting google eyed.

Marion


*** just realised it might be from the Fran who posted**

I'm still hunting but ...nothing.

Have found the one you suggested on the 1851 unfortunately not the right family.

1851

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SCHONEHENBERGH, Henr Head Married M 47 1804 Tobacco Cutter
Hanover VIEW
SCHONEHENBERGH, J Wife Married F 45 1806 Waistcoat Maker
Southminster
Essex VIEW
SCHONEHENBERGH, H Son M 17 1834 Light Porter
Whitechapel VIEW
SCHONEHENBERGH, J Son M 16 1835 Errand Boy
Whitechapel VIEW
SCHONEHENBERGH, S Daughter F 13 1838
Whitechapel VIEW
SCHONEHENBERGH, E Daughter F 11 1840
Whitechapel VIEW
W, T Son M 9 1842 Scholar
Whitechapel VIEW
W, C Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Whitechapel VIEW
W, C Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Whitechapel VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1546 Folio:
178 Page:
35

Registration District:
Whitechapel Sub District:
Goodmans Fields Enumeration District:
1H Ecclesiastical Parish:
Saint Marks

Civil Parish:
Saint Mary Whitechapel Municipal Borough:
Tower Hamlets Address:
5, Rupert Street, Saint Mary Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets County:
Middlesex




Regards Vera

Hi QG

Is this on the 1851 census please?

Regards Vera

There is C W age 7 living Goodmans Fields Whitechapel
Sorry I dont have access to see full details

Re Marion.......

1851Person: WYNN, Watkin
Institution: Camberwell Workhouse,




WYNN, Watkin M 5 1846 Scholar
Camberwell
Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1580 Folio:
564 Page:
2

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Camberwell Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Giles Camberwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
St Giles Camberwell County:
Surrey



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So far no luck with Cardinal

Regards Vera

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=39fgw&id=I13

# ID: I13
# Name: Cardinal (Alexander) WYNNE
# Given Name: Cardinal (Alexander)
# Surname: Wynne
# Sex: M
# Birth: 5th March, 1844 in Sylvan Grove, Old Kent Road, London
# Death: 19th May, 1891 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
# Burial: 21st May, 1891 Warwick Cemetery, Queensland, Australia

found this..

Father: William WYNNE b: Abt 1815 in London, England
Mother: Sarah Esther CARDINAL b: 29th July, 1816 in London, England c: 19th January, 1817 in St.Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex

Marriage 1 Mary Anne Phoebe REID b: 24th April, 1856 in At sea on voyage to Australia

* Married: 27th January 1873 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
* Change Date: 6 Sep 2006

Children

1. Has No Children William Cardinal WYNNE b: 30th December, 1873 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
2. Has Children John Reid WYNNE b: 19th April, 1875 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
3. Has Children Watkin James WYNNE b: 3rd December, 1876 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
4. Has Children Charles Edward WYNNE b: 7th November, 1878 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
5. Has No Children Sarah Esther WYNNE b: 6th March, 1881 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
6. Has Children Alexander WYNNE b: 11th May, 1883 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
7. Has No Children Alfred Percival WYNNE b: 24th April, 1885 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
8. Has No Children Elizabeth Victoria WYNNE b: 25th June, 1887 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
9. Has Children Gwendoline WYNNE b: 9th September, 1889 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia
10. Has No Children Floyd Owen Robert WYNNE b: 14th September, 1891 in Warwick, Queensland, Australia

No luck here either.
I wonder why he was baptised in 1860? Planning to marry? And why was there no occupation listed for father on the baptism record?