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Hi all you fellow nite owls,
I am trying to find evidence of the marriage of Frederick W. Horne to Elizabeth Keenan in approx 1922. The facts i have are as follows:-

Celia Horne b.1923. Baptised in Holywood Co. Down. Mother, Elizabeth Keenan. Father, Frederick W. Horne, a English soldier in the Seaforth Highlanders, b.1904.
Two further children, Bernadette & Elizabeth, followed. Elizabeth Snr. died shortly after the birth of Elizabeth. All three children then sent to England.

Due to the time scale, i am assuming Fred was about 18 when he went to Ireland, got Elizabeth pregnant and had to marry her. Therefore the Marriage must have been between 1921 and 1923.

I have tried a number of sites, but cannot find ANY reference to a marriage, or to Elizabeth Keenan.

Can you help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael.

found this one

name: Frederick William HORN
gender: Male
birth: 1873 Jul 27
, York, Eng
death: 1947 Apr 13

AFN: 4C9B-SB

Parents
father: Joseph HORN (AFN: 4C99-F9 )
mother: Orpah Ruth RUSHTON (AFN: 4C99-GG )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Mary Ann KEENAN (AFN: CMQF-LT )
marriage:

any idea where in Ireland they were married?

Frederick William >>> HornE >>> born in 1904 .......

If he was English (and not Scottish) there are unfortunately several Frederick William Horne s born around the right time ... one in early 1904 (or late 1903) in West Ham, one in late 1904 in Hendon, 4 in 1903

is 1904 the recorded year of birth or is it calculated from a stated age ?

assuming it is Frederick you would like to find information about and not just the marriage ?

the 1911 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

has these Elizabeth Keenans in county Down of possibly suitable age

Keenan Elizabeth Cargagh Hollymount Down 3
Keenan Elizabeth High Street Newry North Urban Down 8

Hi Chris & Anne,
I've got all Freds details thanks, born in Hastings 1904.
Really only interested in the Marriage, and the Keenan connection as i'm going over to Ireland in April to investigate. So any info i can take with me would be a bonus.

M.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaforth_Highlanders

this could give you a time frame ... when was "later" is a question ...


Interwar years

In 1921, the 1st Battalion was deployed to the Scottish coalfields to maintain order during strike action by the miners. Later, the Battalion served in Ireland during and after the partition. The 1st Battalion returned to India in the late 1920s.

Both battalions served in Palestine in the 1930s.

Okay, it really helps if you say what you have when you start ............

actually

Births Jun >>> 1903
>>> HORN Frederick William Hastings 2b 24

at least that's the only one in Hastings around the time

Horne no E, 1903

1911

HORN FREDRICK WILLIAM M 1904 >> calculated from age: 7 Hastings Sussex


I was initially curious because I have a HornE ancestor in the 19th century and Frederick was a name in that family ...

Yes, Sorry about that!

For some reason Fred added an "E" to his surname on entering the Army, which complicates matters, but Celia's Surname was Horne before she married.
I like the Newry Keenan as Holywood is "just" up the road, and the connection to Holywood is a strong one.

M.

New information just in!!

Marrige Cert. found in Holywood. Frederick W. Horne and Elizabeth Keenan married June 1922.
Elizabeth's parents were Patrick & Catherine Keenan, nee McNally.
Any help here??

What have you done to look, lol ?

Irish 1901 and 1911 censuses, have a browse

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Name: E W Horne
[Edward William Horne]
Regiment or Corps: Seaforth Highlanders, Attd Staff

Ellen maybe you could say what that is and where it came from ??

It looks like possibly from Ancestry and some correction has been made to a record ... if it's a WW I medal card is it one of the additions made to the names by Ancestry as a result of notations on the card ... or by a user ?

Patrick Keenan married Catherine McNally 3rd August 1890 Belfast R.C. Church urban 3 [more than likely Holy Cross Ardoyne]

Patrick's father's a Patrick
Catherine's father a Thomas


Found 3 births for children of Patrick Keenan & Catherine McNally,1hasn't a first name
Keenan Thomas 1892
Keenan Elizabeth 1894
Keenan 1897


* Census Years
* 1901
* Antrim
* Clifton Ward
* Glenpark Street
* Residents of a house

Residents of a house 12.2 in Glenpark Street (Clifton Ward, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Keenan Elizabeth 6 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Belfast Scholar Cannot read or write - - -
Keenan Patrick 33 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic England Dock Labourer Cannot read or write - Married -
Keenan John 3 Male Son Roman Catholic Belfast - Cannot read or write - - -
Keenan Thomas 7 Male Son Roman Catholic Belfast Scholar Cannot read or write - - -
Keenan Patrick Male Son Roman Catholic Belfast - Cannot read or write - - -
Keenan Cathrine 34 Female Wife Roman Catholic Belfast - Cannot read or write

Thomas McNally married Mary Jane Downey 22nd January 1866 Belfast R.C.Urban 2 [St. Patrick's]

Thomas's father a john
Mary Jane's father a Alexander

Children
Name: Catherine Mcanally
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1867
Birthplace: 0341,BELFAST,ANTRIM,IRELAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Mcanally
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Downey
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70131-1
System Origin: Ireland-ODM
Source Film Number: 101140
Reference Number:
Collection: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

Name: Patrick Mcanally
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 10 Jun 1879
Birthplace: Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Mcanally
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Mcanally Downey
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00690-9
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Source Film Number: 256026
Reference Number: v 1-1 p 321
Collection: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

Bridget Mcanally 11th July 1868 urban 3

and that's all from here ...

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

... in addition to the census site I linked to earlier ...

... in case you did want to do any of your own searching ... too late for that now I guess ...

What can i say?????????????????

Yet again you lot have come up trumps!!!!!!!!!

Thanks alot.

Michael. xx.

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Now turns out Patrick was born in England - as per the 1901 Irish Census. I've found a possible match for him in the 1881 English Census:-

KEENAN, Patrick. Head Married M 32, b1849. Ireland.
KEENAN, Rosa A. Wife Married F 30, b1851. Kildare,Ireland.
KEENAN, Patrick. Son Single M 11, b1870. Bacup Lancashire.***
KEENAN, Thomas. Son Single M 7, b1874. Durham.
KEENAN, John. Son Single M 5,1878. Whitworth Lancashire.
KEENAN, William. Son Single M 3, b1878. Shawforth Lancs.
KEENAN, Catherine. Daughter Single F 2, b1879. Shawforth.

Rosa was Rose in 1871.
Yet again I've drawn a blank with my searches, either before 1871 or after 1881 in either England or Ireland.
P.S.
Rose/ Rosa's maiden name was Dunn.Father Jeremiah,b.1825, Mother Catherine, b.1826. Both in Ireland.Three Sibs, i found, Elizabeth, b.1854, William, b.1859, John, b.1861. All in England.

???

Dunn

Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
residence: Ldry, Ireland
parents: Anderson Dunn, Margaret

record title: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
name: Dunn
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Aug 1824
baptism/christening place: LOWER CUMBER,LONDONDERRY,IRELAND
father's name: Anderson Dunn
mother's name: Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: C70039-1
system origin: Ireland-ODM
source film number: 6026027