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1841 census for Carlisle please

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Frances

Frances Report 21 Jan 2011 18:07

I have found the Graham family in IGI consisting of father Isaac and mother Mary.
The definite children are Isaac 1837 and Ann 1840. There are other children to the same named parents but I am not sure if they are actually the same family. Can anybody see them in 1841 please?

Many thanks,
Frances

Choccy

Choccy Report 21 Jan 2011 18:11




1841

BELL, Alexander M 25 1816 Cumberland VIEW
BELL, Mary F 25 1816 Cumberland VIEW
BELL, Dorathy F 4 1837 Cumberland VIEW
BAXTER, David M 70 1771 Cumberland VIEW
BELL, George M 25 1816 Cumberland VIEW
BELL, Mary F 20 1821 Cumberland VIEW
BELL, Elizabeth F 0 (6 months) 1841 Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Isaac M 30 1811 Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Mary F 25 1816 Scotland VIEW
GRAHAM, John M 6 1835 Scotland VIEW
GRAHAM, Mary F 5 1836 Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Isaac M 4 1837 Cumberland VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
176 Book/Folio:
8/6 Page:
6

Registration District:
Carlisle Sub District:
St Mary Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Municipal Borough:
Carlisle Address:
Eden Street, St Mary, Rickergate, Carlisle County:
Cumberland

Choccy

Choccy Report 21 Jan 2011 18:12



1851

GRAHAM, Isaac Head Married M 30 1821 Groom
Penrith
Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Mary Wife Married F 35 1816
Scotland VIEW
GRAHAM, Isaac Son Unmarried M 13 1838 Scholar
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 8 1843 Scholar
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, George P Son Unmarried M 5 1846 Scholar
Rickerby
Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Oliver F Son M 2 1849 Groom's Son
Rickerby
Cumberland VIEW
LISDALE, James Lodger Married M 30 1821 Tailor
N K VIEW
LISDALE, Jane Lodger Married F 25 1826 Dress Maker
N K VIEW
LISDALE, James Lodger M 0 (9 MOS) 1851
N K VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2430 Folio:
169 Page:
28

Registration District:
Carlisle Sub District:
St Mary Enumeration District:
5A Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Carlisle Address:
Corporation Road, Carlisle County:
Cumberland

Frances

Frances Report 21 Jan 2011 18:20

Thank you for those Choccy, the 1851 definitely matches the family I am expecting but some of the children have disappeared from 1841. Need to check for deaths but, of course, they are old enough to have left home.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 21 Jan 2011 18:32

All children of Issac and Mary on IGI.

1. WILLIAM GRAHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAY 1855 Saint Mary, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

2. JOHN GRAHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 JUN 1836 Saint Mary, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

3. ISAAC GRAHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 SEP 1837 Saint Mary, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

4. ANN GRAHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JAN 1840 Saint Mary, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

5. MARY GRAHAM - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 JUN 1836 Saint Mary, Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Frances

Frances Report 21 Jan 2011 18:40

Thanks for that Mel. The census suggests that although John and Mary were christened on the same day they were not twins. I have looked for a marriage of Isaac and Mary in Scotland but not found one. I am guessing she was possibly

MARY BRUCE PENNY
Christening: 07 SEP 1815 Peterhead, Aberdeen
Father: WILLIAM PENNY

Frances

Frances Report 21 Jan 2011 18:45

From the single line G.R. census it appears that Isaac and Mary were still in Carlisle in 1861

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Jan 2011 21:27

Frances

it was not unusual for 2 or more children to be baptized on the same day


it was cheaper!


or sometimes, there was not a priest / vicar in the town or village at all times.




sylvia

Flip

Flip Report 22 Jan 2011 10:15

Looks like they had more children according to 1861 census:

Mary Graham
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1816
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Victualler & Inn Keeper
Address 4, Corporation Road
District Carlisle, St Mary
Parish Rickergate
Administrative County Cumberland
Birth Place Scotland

Other household:
Isaac 49 Cab proprietor Penrith
Ann 17 Carlisle
George 11 Rickerby
Oliver 9 Rickerby
?? (son) 8 Carlisle (can't make out the name)
William 5 Carlisle

And in 1871:
Mary Graham
Age 55
Estimated Year of Birth 1816
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Address Corporation Road
District Carlisle, St Mary
Parish Rickergate
Administrative County Cumberland
Birth Place Scotland

Isaac 60 Innkeeper Penrith
Mary E 24 Carlisle
Geo 22 Rickerby
Stou?? 19 Carlisle
Minnie Oliver 60 sister (widow) Scotland
Margaret Irving 23 Servant Scotland
James Coyle 60 Boarder Ireland

Flip

Flip Report 22 Jan 2011 10:32

Strange, they don't appear to be together on 1881 census but there is another Graham family at the same address - coincidence?

824 GRAHAM, David Head Married M 36 1845 Wine Merchant Warehouseman
Rockliffe
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, Dorothy Wife Married F 40 1841 Grocer
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, Richard Son Single M 16 1865 Black & Whitesmith
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, Thomas James Son Single M 15 1866 Drapers Apprentice
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, Margaret Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, John Irving Son Single M 4 1877
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, Joseph William Son Single M 2 1879
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, Elizabeth Jane Daughter Single F 0 1881
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
824 GRAHAM, Jane Niece Single F 15 1866 Dom Serv
Rockliffe
Cumberland VIEW

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5157 Folio:
98 Page:
13

Registration District:
Carlisle Sub District:
St Cuthbert Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Rickergate Municipal Borough:
Address:
4, Corporation Road, Rickergate County:
Cumberland

Frances

Frances Report 22 Jan 2011 12:37

Thank you for what you have found Flip.
The last family will need checking out to see if they are in any way related.

Flip

Flip Report 22 Jan 2011 12:48

This looks like them, but the ages are way out on 1881 census!

GRAHAM, Isaac Head Married M 81 1800 Inn Keeper
Penrith
Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Mary Wife Married F 60 1821
Scotland VIEW
E GRAHAM, Annie Daughter Single F 28 1853 Houesmaid Dom.
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
GRAHAM, Stow Son Single M 25 1856 Upholsterer Unemployed
Carlisle
Cumberland VIEW
MC CLAUGHLAN, Jane Servant Single F 24 1857 Dom Serv
Scotland VIEW
DEENY, Patrick Boarder Single M 33 1848 Cattle Dealer
Ireland VIEW
DOHERTY, James Boarder Single M 28 1853 Cattle Dealer
Ireland VIEW
BRYSON, William Boarder Single M 25 1856 Cattle Dealer
Ireland VIEW

Flip

Flip Report 22 Jan 2011 12:49

Sorry, this bit didn't post:
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5157 Folio:
97 Page:
12

Registration District:
Carlisle Sub District:
St Cuthbert Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Rickergate Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Corpotation Road, Rickergate County:
Cumberland

According to the original the pub is called the Dukes Head

Frances

Frances Report 22 Jan 2011 16:28

Thanks Flip, the son now has a name! Isaac should be about 70/71

Flip

Flip Report 22 Jan 2011 16:45

Not convinced the name is what is on the original - but it is so difficult to read. Do you have access to original records so you can look for yoursels?

Flip

Flip Report 22 Jan 2011 17:02

Actually take that back. He is on the 1891 census with mother (a widow):

Stow Graham
Age 35
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Upholsterer
Address 8, Corporation Road
District Carlisle, St Mary
Parish Rickergate
Administrative County Cumberland
Birth Place Carlisle
Birth County Cumberland

Other family:
Mary 73 widow publican scotland
Ann Elizabeth 39 assisting mother

plus some boarders.

Flip

Flip Report 22 Jan 2011 17:10

He was still on 1901 census, living with sister Annie Elizabeth Johnston at same address - she was now the innkeeper and head of household. No sign of Annie's husband though.

Frances

Frances Report 23 Jan 2011 10:35

Hi Flip, you have been busy! Thanks for all your searching, Whatever Stow/Stower is called he does not get registered as such. Because the ages/dates of birth for all the children change so much in the census it is difficult to determine if it is possibly a nickname for Oliver 1849 or some other before William 1855?

Flip

Flip Report 23 Jan 2011 11:10

This looks like his death though, but the original states Graham Stow (no mention of , S)


Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
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Graham Stow, S 48 Carlisle 10b 438

Flip

Flip Report 23 Jan 2011 11:16

Births Jun 1851 (>99%)
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Graham Stan Carlisle 25 77

The original is not clear, but it could by Stow not Stan