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Hi Mel

No problems hun, thanks for coming back it is appreciated. It is strange because I have found that census - bit of a long story but I have always been told by my brother that our nan's name was Emily Gay so you can imagine my surprise when the only marriage I could find for Charles French to an Emily was to Emily Ricketts so I obtained my mum's birth certificate which confirmed her mum's maiden name was Ricketts, so I thought problem solved until I see Robert Gay on the 1901 Census and that he was a brother in law to Charles - cannot seem to find any connection with Charles (and as I said previously I cannot find anything for Emily Ricketts) so there must be a connection but I can't find it (hope this makes sense)

xxx

1901 England Census
about Robert Gay Name: Robert Gay
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Brother-in-Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members: Name Age
Charles French 40
Emily French 33
Charles French 13
William French 12
Elizabeth French 14
Robert Gay 30 Bro in Law a Tailor Single

I may have a lead here on the 1901 census.

Sorry could'nt get back I had that maintainance rubbish come up!!

Will have another look now.

Hi SAFC

Yes that is their marriage - don't have the certificate unfortunately on Ancestry

xx

Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
COLLINGWOOD Frances Helen A St Giles 1b 934
xxxxFRENCH James George St Giles 1b 934
Oyns Frederick Kossuth St Giles 1b 934
xxxxRicketts Ellen St Giles 1b 934

Hi Mel

This is where is gets confusing because I can find nothing with regards to my nan, Emily Ricketts other than the marriage cert and census records in her married name - I can find nothing for Emily or her dad Robert Ricketts - total mystery - BUT it appears that James George French who was Charles' brother appeared to marry maybe Emily's sister - as his wife's name is Ellen Ricketts (but cannot find a marriage cert for her to confirm what her dad's name is)

Thanks

I wonder if he was just living with Phoelis????

I see from his marriage that Emily was 19 and he 33.

Witnesses were his brother ?? James George French and his wife???

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emily Ricketts Name: Emily Ricketts
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Charles French
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Jul 1887
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Robert Ricketts
Spouse Father Name: William French

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Maria Ann Burness Name: Maria Ann Burness
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 80

DAte of marriage 24 May 1840


******Maria Ann Burness 1840 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
John Cooper 1840 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
Lavinia Elliott 1840 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
******* William Thomas French 1840 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex

Hi Mel

Yes that is his mum and dad

Thanks

Hi just had a quick scan - Charles French is my grandad, but Phylis (Pheolis) is not my nan, he married in 1887 to Emily Ricketts (marr cert confirmed him as a batchelor??)

Have previous census records for Charles prior to 1881 it is just that one that is stumping me.

Many thanks for everyone looking

Banns

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PreviewName: William Thomas French
Spouse Name: Maria Ann Burness
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 10 May 1840
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Take a look at the picture to see even more.
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William Thomas French 10 May 1840 Maria Ann Burness Hackney St John

Apologies for not replying but couldn't get back onto Genes said there was maintenance being done. I will have a quick read through now and will answer any questions you may have asked

Thanks

Charles Henry French

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 22 May 1854
residence: London, England
parents: Charles French, Maria

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Charles Henry French
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 11 Jun 1854
baptism/christening place: SAINT DUNSTAN,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 22 May 1854
father's name: Charles French
mother's name: Maria
indexing project (batch) number: C05576-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 596917

1841 England Census
about William French Name: William French
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Long Alley

Occupation: STONE MASON***********
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell and Moorfields
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William French 21
Maria French 19

Charles French

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 02 Oct 1854
residence: London, England
parents: William French, Elizabeth

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Charles French
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 25 Jun 1855
baptism/christening place: ST BRIDE FLEET ST ,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 02 Oct 1854
father's name: William French
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C02242-7
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 380156

Pheolis French

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1852 — Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
residence: Kensington, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Pheolis French
age: 29
gender: Female
birth year: 1852
birthplace: Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Wife
marital condition: Married
profession / occupation: Charwoman
address: 5 Thomas Place (Common Lodging Ho)
census place: Kensington, London, Middlesex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341007
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 0033 / 81
page number:

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1861 England Census
about Charles Franch Name: Charles Franch
[Charles French]
[Charles French]
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Wm Franch
Mother's name: Maria Franch
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Quebec Mews??????


Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Franch 41 STONE SAWYER**************
Maria Franch 39
James Franch 11
Phillip Franch 9
Charles Franch 7
Jane Franch 5
Eliza Franch 1

Original image on the 1881 is Phylis.

HAVE YOU GOT THIS?

1871 England Census
about Charles French Name: Charles French
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: William French
Mother's name: Marie French
Gender: Male
Where born: St Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 133
Household Members: Name Age
William French 51 Masons Lab.
Marie French 49
Jane French 15
Eliza French 12
Mary Ann French 10
Charles French 17 Wood Cutter******

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Charles French Name: Charles French
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1853
Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1853
Father's name: William Thomas French STONE SAWYER
Mother's name: Maria Ann French
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bryanston Square St Mary
Borough: Westminster