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England and Wales Census, 1881 for John Lewsley


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Name: John Lewsley
Age: 77
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1804
Birthplace: London, London, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger
Marital Condition: Widowed
Profession / Occupation: Carver & Gilder
Address: 42 Goldington St
Census Place: St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341045
The National Archives Reference: RG11
Piece / Folio: 0203 / 58
Page Number: 21
Household Gender Age
Jane Worley F 30
William Worley M 22
Fred Worley M 34
John Lewsley M 77

The family in 1841

Mary has died ,all born middlesex.

1841 England Census
about Jas Lewsley
Name: Jas Lewsley
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Lewsley 37
Jas Lewsley 14
John Lewsley 12

Lynne

I also checked the original parish entry, and certificate, as shown on ancestry .... just as Sue did.

AND confirmed that the name Leasley was a transcriber's error ...... as I said, I have sent in a note re the correct spelling



This is the entry from freebmd

Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)

Bass John Kensington 3 266
Burgess Harriet Kensington 3 266
Bushnell Emma Kensington 3 266
>>>>Grubb Eliza Kensington 3 266
>>>>Lewsley James Frederick Kensington 3 266
Milne Alexander Kensington 3 266
Morris Henry Kensington 3 266
Perry Rebecca Kensington 3 266


You will not see the quarter or year on the transcript image (I've just checked), because the year would have been on the very first page of the GRO volume from which this image has been taken, and the quarter might well have been either on that first page, or on an intervening page ...... and you cannot turn back to those pages.


You just have to trust that the transcribers transcribed the March 1850 correctly, as shown at the heading of the entry as I posted it above.




sylvia

Hi Lynne
The marriage I posted for James Frederick on the 27th of Jan 1850 is from the original Parish records.
I have seen the marriage cert myself it is correct for those dates,as I said in a previuos post the marriage banns were read in three different years 1846 and 47 but they finally married in 1850.

If you pm me your email address I will send you the original marriage cert itself.


Edite
I use Ancestry with all london Transcripts to search.
Just click on my name to send me a PM(personal message
Sue

Hi Sylvia,

I know I'll have to get the original cert to obtain the actual date. My comment re Free BMD is regarding the date / quarter and this will have to be resolved through checking the fiche copies of St Catherines Index. On the original transcript on FreeBMD there is no indication of what year / quarter etc (see black header accessed via clicking on glasses) on the record. and I cannot be assured therefore whether the marriage was in 1850 or any other year by checking Free BMD records.

Lynne

You cannot see the exact date of the marriage (or of births or deaths) on freebmd ................ it just shows the quarter in which the event occurred

so March means a marriage between Jan 1 and March 31

June......... between April 1 and June 30

etc


you have to buy the actual certificate to find out the date, place etc




sylvia

Hi everyone,

I am just a little confused re marriage date. The only record on FreeBMD indicates marriage of 1850 Kensington but no date is visible on the original transcript image. I cannot verify that this is the Actual date of the record.

Assuming these are the same people, do you know why there might be such a wide discrepancy in date?

Lynne (in Australia)

WOW - Thanks for your research.

Sorry for delay in responding. Between time differences and problems with interent connection I was unable to respond earlier. It looks like you have broken through the brickwall!

You have the right family and yes John Lewsley (b.1804) married twice.

(1) Mary Holmes was spouse of first marriage. Offspring were James Frederick b.1826 m Eliza Grubb and John b.1828 m Sarah Short.

I descend from the second marriage.
(2) Catherine Papworth - Have just looked at cert again James is listed dead and witnesses as you correctly stated. Susan, I do not have John (b.1804 ) baptism date.

They also later had three other children (Edward, 1847-1852, Mary Ann 1853-1854 and 'Arthur' 1855-1905). Have death dates for all children.

Dates given have confirmed info I found and given me heaps of information on baptismal dates and types of marriage. Thanks for the information re Mary Perrott. Is there any information re James (b. 1781) spouse?

Lynne (in Australia)

I've sent in a notice of Alternate Information, showing that the name should be Lewsley.

Sue

I've just looked at that marriage


YES ...... ti is indeed Lewsley.

James Frederick's signature is very clearly Lewsley

Further information from the image:-

James

Of Full Age
Bachelor
Occupaton:- Piano-forte String-maker
Address:- Old Church Street
Father:- John Lewsley, Carver <<< very clearly Lewsly

Eliza

Of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- Old Church Street
Father:- John Grubb, Painter


Witnesses:- John Lewsley & Sarah Lewsley (possibly)



sylvia

This looks like the marriage,wrongly transcribed as Leasley



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Frederick Leasley
Name: James Frederick Leasley
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Eliza Grubb
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1850
Parish: St Mary, Paddington Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Leasley
Spouse Father Name: John Grubb

Witts
John Lewsley
Sarah (Lewsley )?, not sure but it looks like Lewsley on the original cert

I'm off to bed, yawning my head off here!


I'll eave the lewsleys to you ... I was too sleepy to see anything!



s
xx

The Banns were read for this couple three time .

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Frederick Lewsley
Name: James Frederick Lewsley
Spouse Name: Eliza Grubb
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 22 Nov 1846
Parish: St Mary, Paddington Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster

Also in 1847 ansd 1850 all same place ,no marriage found as yet

Posssible births for John and Marys children.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Frederick Lewsley
Name: James Frederick Lewsley
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1827
Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1827
Father's name: John Lewsley
Mother's name: Mary Ann Lewsley
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Lewsley
Name: John Lewsley
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1829
Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1829
Father's name: John Lewsley
Mother's name: Mary Ann Lewsley
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
.............................................................................
And one birth /Bapts for John and Catherine.

England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emily Lewsley
Name: Emily Lewsley
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1845
Baptism Date: 7 Sep 1845
Father's name: John Lewsley
Mother's name: Catherine Lewsley
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden

sure would help !

I guess we now wait until tomorrow .... or maybe Cynthia will send one of her gentle reminders!

Hi Sylvia

I just wish Lynne would come back to let us know if we are on the right track .
It would help heaps.

Suex

snap Susan!!


Only we deciphered th witnesses differently!!

????? John's first marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Lewsley
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Holmes
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Jan 1825
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden


from image:-

John
Bachelor

Mary Ann
Spinster


no occupations given, no fathers' names


Witnesses:- J Smithery (??sp) and Wm Ealing




sylvia

This could be his first marriage .
Wittnesses are J Smithers and Ann Eiling.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Lewsley
Name: John Lewsley
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Holmes
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Jan 1825
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden


Edite
Possible death for Mary Ann

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Lewsley
Name: Mary Ann Lewsley
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1
Page: 117

Hi Lynne

On looking at the original image of the marriage cert .

James the father is stated as dead.

The wittnesses to the marriage are James Rogers and P W Pulsford.

John is also a stated as widower at this marriage.
Have you found a bapts for John 1804.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Catherine Papworth
Name: Catherine Papworth
Spouse Name: John Lewsley
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 29 May 1842
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Spouse Father Name: Jas Lewsley