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Hi,

I am tracing the Lewsley family tree and have chased back as far as John Lewsley (b.1804) m Catherine Papworth in1842 (marriage cert gained). His father James (b. 1785) witnessed the marriage.. His grandfather was recorded as John LOOSELEY and married to a Mary. (Familysearch,org).

I am trying to find the name of James' spouse and surname of John Looseley's spouse and have reached a brickwall.

Can anyone help?

Lynne (in Australia)

For Ref is this the family please.

1851 England Census
about John Lewsley
Name: John Lewsley
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Catherine Lewsley
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: WV, St James

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 138
Household Members: Name Age
John Lewsley 47
Catherine Lewsley 34
Emily Lewsley 7
Henry Lewsley 5
Edward Lewsley 3
George Lewsley 1

here is a possible
London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
about James Looseley
Name: James Looseley
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1781
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Parent(s): John,
Mary
Record Type: Baptism

This is a possible marriage.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Loosley
Name: John Loosley
Spouse Name: Mary Perrott
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 06 Dec 1773
Parish: St Mary Aldermanbury
County: London
Borough: City of London

Hi Lynne

On looking at the original image of the marriage cert .

James the father is stated as dead.

The wittnesses to the marriage are James Rogers and P W Pulsford.

John is also a stated as widower at this marriage.
Have you found a bapts for John 1804.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Catherine Papworth
Name: Catherine Papworth
Spouse Name: John Lewsley
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 29 May 1842
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Spouse Father Name: Jas Lewsley

This could be his first marriage .
Wittnesses are J Smithers and Ann Eiling.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Lewsley
Name: John Lewsley
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Holmes
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Jan 1825
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden


Edite
Possible death for Mary Ann

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Lewsley
Name: Mary Ann Lewsley
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1
Page: 117

????? John's first marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: John Lewsley
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Holmes
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Jan 1825
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden


from image:-

John
Bachelor

Mary Ann
Spinster


no occupations given, no fathers' names


Witnesses:- J Smithery (??sp) and Wm Ealing




sylvia

snap Susan!!


Only we deciphered th witnesses differently!!

Hi Sylvia

I just wish Lynne would come back to let us know if we are on the right track .
It would help heaps.

Suex

sure would help !

I guess we now wait until tomorrow .... or maybe Cynthia will send one of her gentle reminders!

Posssible births for John and Marys children.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about James Frederick Lewsley
Name: James Frederick Lewsley
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1827
Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1827
Father's name: John Lewsley
Mother's name: Mary Ann Lewsley
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Lewsley
Name: John Lewsley
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1829
Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1829
Father's name: John Lewsley
Mother's name: Mary Ann Lewsley
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster
.............................................................................
And one birth /Bapts for John and Catherine.

England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emily Lewsley
Name: Emily Lewsley
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1845
Baptism Date: 7 Sep 1845
Father's name: John Lewsley
Mother's name: Catherine Lewsley
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden

The Banns were read for this couple three time .

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Frederick Lewsley
Name: James Frederick Lewsley
Spouse Name: Eliza Grubb
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 22 Nov 1846
Parish: St Mary, Paddington Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster

Also in 1847 ansd 1850 all same place ,no marriage found as yet

I'm off to bed, yawning my head off here!


I'll eave the lewsleys to you ... I was too sleepy to see anything!



s
xx

This looks like the marriage,wrongly transcribed as Leasley



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Frederick Leasley
Name: James Frederick Leasley
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Eliza Grubb
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1850
Parish: St Mary, Paddington Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Leasley
Spouse Father Name: John Grubb

Witts
John Lewsley
Sarah (Lewsley )?, not sure but it looks like Lewsley on the original cert

Sue

I've just looked at that marriage


YES ...... ti is indeed Lewsley.

James Frederick's signature is very clearly Lewsley

Further information from the image:-

James

Of Full Age
Bachelor
Occupaton:- Piano-forte String-maker
Address:- Old Church Street
Father:- John Lewsley, Carver <<< very clearly Lewsly

Eliza

Of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- Old Church Street
Father:- John Grubb, Painter


Witnesses:- John Lewsley & Sarah Lewsley (possibly)



sylvia

I've sent in a notice of Alternate Information, showing that the name should be Lewsley.

WOW - Thanks for your research.

Sorry for delay in responding. Between time differences and problems with interent connection I was unable to respond earlier. It looks like you have broken through the brickwall!

You have the right family and yes John Lewsley (b.1804) married twice.

(1) Mary Holmes was spouse of first marriage. Offspring were James Frederick b.1826 m Eliza Grubb and John b.1828 m Sarah Short.

I descend from the second marriage.
(2) Catherine Papworth - Have just looked at cert again James is listed dead and witnesses as you correctly stated. Susan, I do not have John (b.1804 ) baptism date.

They also later had three other children (Edward, 1847-1852, Mary Ann 1853-1854 and 'Arthur' 1855-1905). Have death dates for all children.

Dates given have confirmed info I found and given me heaps of information on baptismal dates and types of marriage. Thanks for the information re Mary Perrott. Is there any information re James (b. 1781) spouse?

Lynne (in Australia)

Hi everyone,

I am just a little confused re marriage date. The only record on FreeBMD indicates marriage of 1850 Kensington but no date is visible on the original transcript image. I cannot verify that this is the Actual date of the record.

Assuming these are the same people, do you know why there might be such a wide discrepancy in date?

Lynne (in Australia)

You cannot see the exact date of the marriage (or of births or deaths) on freebmd ................ it just shows the quarter in which the event occurred

so March means a marriage between Jan 1 and March 31

June......... between April 1 and June 30

etc


you have to buy the actual certificate to find out the date, place etc




sylvia

Hi Sylvia,

I know I'll have to get the original cert to obtain the actual date. My comment re Free BMD is regarding the date / quarter and this will have to be resolved through checking the fiche copies of St Catherines Index. On the original transcript on FreeBMD there is no indication of what year / quarter etc (see black header accessed via clicking on glasses) on the record. and I cannot be assured therefore whether the marriage was in 1850 or any other year by checking Free BMD records.

Lynne