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you are welcome Una. let us know if you need more help when you get the certificate

happy Christmas all

Thanks soooo much for all that info. I had no idea that VOSE was that common. I thought it was unusual!!!! I will order the marriage cert.

Thank you soooo much.

Happy Christmas

Una

Ann, I think we need some input from Una - find out where her information re sister Alice came from.

She hasn't come back to the thread, so I'll PM just in case she doesn't know how to.

there is an Ann Vose on freebmd1880

Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
VOSE Ann Prescot 8b 757

Looks like one of the Annie Vose's at Prescot had another family member Alice on the 1891 census, she on the top of the census page on GR and I can't get back to the previous page to see the other family members - can anyone else check? On FMP she is transcribed as Annie Vose 1880 registration district Prescot.

Edit: forget this, the alice is her mother!

If you are sure of that 1905 marriage Una, the best way forward would be to buy that certificate, otherwise you could end up tracing the wrong family. Vose was quite a common name in the area

have I missed someone posting this birth reg

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
VOSE Annie Prescot Prescot PRE/45/15

from freebmd this was Dec qtr so would not appear on 1881 census

Frances married John Jones in 1898

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
VOSE Frances A JONES John J West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/170/183

and the 1905 marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
VOSE Annie HEWITT Ernest Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/91/171

there was another Alice Vose registered 1879 W.Derby, but she hasn't appeared on 1881/1891 census with a sister Ann or any variation of the names.

Una, could you tell us where your information came from - and do you have any other information on the sisters?

1881 and 1891 census I think the same family.....both living at 16 Oliver Street fathers occupation Carter.

Regards Vera

Family (without Ann/Frances Ann) on 1901 census at same address - I think this is her marriage, but not sure which partner:

Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Crann Patrick West Derby 8b 909
JOHNSON Mary W. Derby 8b 909
Jones John James W.Derby 8b 909
>>>Vose Frances Ann W. Derby 8b 909

I thought the same about Ann Emma and Alice's births being close, but not impossibly close - then Mac found the family in 1891 with Fanny Ann.

Strange Annie is Ann Emma in 1911, but Annie on her marriage.

Depending on how sure you are about the marriage, you always have the option of going for the marriage cert to establish Annie & Alice's father's name and occupation, or gambling on the Ann Emma birth cert.

Unless anyone can put more of the pieces together meanwhile.

Have to abandon ship, hospital appt.

Going back to Una's original posting, the ages are very vague - how sure are you about the marriage and that annie (or Ann Emma) had a sister Alice? I thought the Ann Emma birth was a bit too close, but not impossible, to Alice's birth.

I think this is the 1881 census entry Margaret mentioned, but no Alice:

Name: Ann Vose
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Vose
Mother's name: Elizabeth Vose
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil Parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 11 Tyne St
Education:


Household Members: Name Age

John Vose 25 c1856 St Helens, Lancashire, England. Confectioner.
Elizabeth Vose 26 c1855 Rainford, Lancashire, England.
William Vose 6
John Vose 4
>>Ann Vose 2 c1879 Liverpool.

Dosen't look too good, does it? Given Annie was Ann Emma in 1911.

Wondered whether Ann E. got corrupted to Annie in some records.

Same family on 1891 census, so maybe the wrong family found on 1881?

Alice Vose
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Address 16, Oliver Street
District West Derby, West Derby (Municipal)
Parish West Derby
Administrative County Lancashire
Birth Place Liverpool
Birth County Lancashire
Other family:
Richard 49
Alice 44
William 20
Frances A 14 <<<
Hugh 11
John 6
Ellen 3

Birth? : Vose Ann Emma W. Derby 8b 557 OND 1875.

Possi?ble births

Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
Vose Alice W. Derby 8b 526

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
Vose Fanny Ann W. Derby 8b 516

Thanks Vera, the ages are a little out from what Una posted, but Ann's talliesreasonably with the age of Ann Emma married to Ernest in census 1911.

Hi Good Find....on the image Ann Vose

Regards Vera