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Thank you Mac and everyone for all your help.

You could well be right in that theory Mac, guess i will never know;-(

If he'd deserted the family back around 1940 they may not have known whether he was still alive or not, maybe she told people he was dead?

Hi Mac.

John died in 1947 (if i have the correct cert) but he would have died prior to 1951 as it was his wife Elizabeth that died in 1951 in Shrewsbury.
And her death certs says Widow of John Henry Ramsey.

Hi Lisa,

So there is possibility that it's the wrong death, think you may need to contact one of the Ancestry people with him in their tree to see what they've found out to be able to narrow his death down to 1951.

The other death registered Q1 1952 ties in with his age, but as I say there is no middle initial & the name is spelt Ramsay - but if the person registering the death didn't know the information this could explain the discrepancy.

1911 cenus has his occupation as a Fish Hawker, living at 28 Phoenix Place, Shrewsbury with Elizabeth & 8 children. He may have changed occupation, but a ships boilerman would be an engineering occupation usually in a shipyard, my g-gfather was a ships boilerman, and had to serve an "apprenticeship" or whatever they called it then and he was around at the same time as your relly.

Mac

Added: There is one person (Julie) with a possible tree-match on GR.

he must have been a mistake when he filled in the papers, I see in his earlier papers dated 16 Nov 1893 his age is 19 years 3 months

Yes thats the correct date but the year he was born was 1874. I have his birth cert also.

I notice on his army papers of 1917 his birth is given as (August crossed out) July 22nd 1873

Occupation Hay Trusser

Hi Mac.

John Henry was born in Cardiff in 1874, his parents were John Henry and Mary nee Long.

John was Ships boilerman according to my relative. So with his occupation on the death cert a retired ships fireman, i figured it could well be the correct death. ???

You're welcome Lisa.

What confirmation from the death certificate do you have to confirm this is definitly your John Henry? I think the death you have is more likely to be that of John Henry born in Nothumberland and married to Sarah Ann. (Your John was a fish hawker on the 1911 census)

Tempest, I've checked the 1951 deaths and these isn't one for John in 1951 in England/Wales, nearest I can find is John Ramsay, reg Nthmbld W Q1 1952 (1b/504), no middle initial stated?

Hi Mac.
Thank you for your help also, he was married to Elizabeth in 1895 in Ireland.

Hi tempest, yes those trees will be my relatives tree, but Thank you for your time.

there are several trees on ancestry with a John Henry Ramsey born 22 July 1874 in Cardiff and married to Elizabeth Weir (1970-1951)

two of the trees also give his death as 1951

I think you may have the wrong death for him. There was another John Henry, reg Durham Q1/1875, this is his marriage to Sarah Ann

Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
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>>>Barsted Sarah Ann S. Shields 10a 1122
Booth Matthew Hetherington S. Shields 10a 1122
McDearmid Maria Watson S. Shields 10a 1122
>>>Ramsey John Henry S. Shields 10a 1122

Thank you for your help. Will try on Freebmd.

NOT the Gloucester marriage......her initials were M F

The 'widow' was probably just covering her tracks........

Try freebmd as advised.

Not the Durham one.........forename was EDITH

Hi Flick.

He was 73yrs at time of death.

I had wondered if S A Ramsey wasnt his legal wife but claimed she was when the death was registered. Or he may have commited bigamy????

Just noticed one in 1940.......in Durham......but can't access spouse's details as she has a choice of surnames.

Hi Tempest.
On the cert it says that S A Ramsey is the Widow of the deceased present at death.

Hi Flick. Thanks for that, suppose the gloucester one could be possible??

Only one marriage for the name in the 1940's.......in Gloucester.

Try freebmd.......all the earlier ones are probably on there.....the last before 1945 on Ancestry is 1936

I didn't ask for his occupation......I asked for details of the informant....it should say what qualifies him/her to register the death

If his wife was said to be his widow when she died, she hadn't divorced him......so he couldn't legally re-marry.

And by the 1940's he'd have been heading for 70