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it,s quite possible they might have had the fredrick born in 1904 has my father was born in harraton chester-le-street 1906

I mean a brother to Martha and your father.

Rose

she was born in gateshead on the 26-10-1902 and my grand father james henry had brother called fredrick who according to the 1901 census was 5 and was born in walker northumberland

Also, what's her exact date of birth?

Rose

Was there another brother:

Births Jun 1904
Madge Frederick William Chester le S. 10a 624

Deaths Mar 1906
Madge Frederick William 1 Gateshead 10a 538

Rose

What town is listed on Martha's birth cert?

Rose

thank you i will look in to that. could be if my grandfather had gave martha to some other member of his family because he ended up in sunderland and they would not have known her age

There is this Death Reg June 1922 Durham...age is slightly out but that means not a great deal...depends on who Reg.the Death and if they knew the persons age..

Madge Martha 25 Durham 10a 434

thats part of my family tree thank you

thank you

Wonder is this James 1881

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Henry J. MADGE Head M Male 28 Exeter, Devon, England Factory Laborer
Mary L. MADGE Wife M Female 24 Vergan, Cornwall, England Factory Laborer
James H. MADGE Son U Male 3 Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Martha J. MADGE Daur Female 11 m Timsbury, Somerset, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 22 Carfax St
Census Place Swindon, Wiltshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341487
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2020 / 18
Page Number 28

thank you i already have that info was there a remarriage for james henry

There are a few Madge (females) 1911 Census in the South Shields Easington area...could be her Christian name was altered ...she may well have been with family...
Sorry I do not have access to 1911 census to check further

1901 census
Name: James Madge
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry J Madge
Mother's Name: Mary J Madge
Gender: Male
Where born: Doulor, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:79 Fleming Street

Occupation:Coal Miner/hewer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
Henry J Madge 47
Mary J Madge 45
James Madge 23
Martha Madge 20
Sarah A Madge 18
Mary T Madge 13
Frederick Madge 11
William Madge 8
Rosetta Ball 18

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4750; Folio: 47; Page: 12.

idont know was there a remarriage

a remarriage?
Name: James Henry Madge
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Easington
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 789

Martha died 1907 which may explain why the family was split up
Name: Martha Lizzie Madge
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 23
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 605

thats correct

looks like the parents
Name: James Henry Madge
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 1295
Martha Lizzie Young

just posting so we can establish criteria!