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and I think Shewen should read Skewen. which is Neath, Glamorgan

PENSARN is a suburb of Abergele in Conwy County Borough, Wales
There is this household with father David ... but living in Northumberland ??

Household:1881

David DAVIES Head M Male 48 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales House Agent
Ann DAVIES Wife M Female 50 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth DAVIES Dau U Female 22 Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Unemployed
William DAVIES Son U Male 20 Shewen, Glamorgan, Wales Coal Traveller
David DAVIES Son U Male 18 Shewen, Glamorgan, Wales Clerk
Joseph DAVIES Son Male 15 Shewen, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Dina DAVIES Dau Female 8 Walker, Northumberland, England Scholar
William DAVIES Father In Law W Male 82 Methyr Tydvil, Glamorgan, Wales No Occupation Formerly Butler
Edith A. F. DEVEREUX Grand Dau Female 2 London Hornsea, London, Middlesex, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 2 Willow House
Census Place Longbenton, Northumberland, England

Registration District:
St Asaph

Sub District:
Abergele

County:
Denbighshire

Taken from an address search of 1861 census

WILLIAMS, Thomas Head Married M 50 1811 Farmer Of 36 Acres
Abergele
WILLIAMS, Lettice Wife Married F 51 1810
Abergele

Registration District:
St Asaph Sub District:
Abergele Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Asaph

Civil Parish:
Abergele Municipal Borough:
Address:
Ty Croes, Abergele, Pensarn County:
Denbighshire

dear all
i have e mailed swansea archives for pegler street in the 1891 census it is not with them so i i will never have a have a better birth place other than glam pensarn for my great grandfather joseph davies born 1863

there doesnt seem so be a pensarn in glamorgan

i recieved a birth certificate

joseph davies carmarthen carmarthen 12th april 1863
father davied davies bootmaker mother ellen davies formally davies water street carmarthen
i have done all the research possible with joseph davies from the carmarthen area of carmarthen with david as father bootmaker
but

joseph marriage certificate gives
father as david deceased cattledealer not bootmaker or shoemaker

i know that occupations change but i still have a niggle that he could have come from the
pensarn near abergele
and would like to try a trace from this area

please does anybody know what
registration district
birth in sub district of
in the county of

pensarn abergele would come under

thanks a million

pain in the backside

helen

david was a cattle dealer although deceased by the time joseph got married in swansea 1892

So Josephs father was called David?I didnt see that before,maybe I missed it.
What was his occupation please?

i do not have the reference number for the birth certificate

i have ordered without one
all the details they have is

joseph davies c 1864 pensarn father david

i know it can work because prior to having a ref number for my grandmother mary catherine b/certificate because of the may c on the 1901/1911 census i sent off for birth certificate without it
i wast about a month before i recieve it
mean while i found a reference number and was impatient to wait for the b/certificate without a ref to arrive so i sent off for another one with the ref number
one arrived and then the other arrived they were identical so i have double confirmation on my grandmother

so im praying the same for joseph that they can find him !!!!!!

thanks for the info on pensarn its lifted my spirits on the quest for joseph s ancestory
thank you
helen

liz 47
yes the marriage certificate is hand written but easy readable i agree the spelling of pedler street could be wrong as proven by the renfrey s in the 1881 census
regards helen

I have searched for Pedlar street on Ancestry and FMP and have also walked the census and checked all the enumeration districts for 1891 and that one appears to be missing from everywhere in 1891.

The only other thing I wondered about Helen is how did you find the refs etc to send for Joseph Davies birth cert if it is not certain where he was born?
It clearly says Pensarn,which must be the one just on the outskirt of Carmarthen (now has a business park with Focus etc,I go shopping there on occasion)as I can not find one in Glamorgan.

yes it s hand written easy readable but yes totally agree about the spelling especially as its been proved with the renfrey s in 1881
regards helen

I can't find Pedler Street on the l89l census - is it handwritten on the marriage cert. - if so, could it be spelt differently.
Regards, Liz

thanks a million for your help enjoy your evening
helen

Helen - FMP keeps crashing (they've had server problems off and on all day). I've got visitors now, but will look up that address for you tomorrow, unless any other helpers see this and look it up for you.

i know what you mean i wish i had researched the different webb sights on geneology cos im finding GR very limitted with variations and just using addresses compared to fmp and even ancestory
on fmp perhaps you could look up the 25 pedler street brynhyfrydd swansea and see who lived there in the 1891 census as mary and joseph only married the year 1892 after and both gave that as their address
i cant look up addresses on GR!!!
perhaps the renfreys lived there with joseph as a lodger/boarder
praps im clutching at straws
many thanks helen

Helen - I would never dream of using GR!! I used FindMyPast (FMP) and ticked the box next to the surname so it looked for variations. You can search FMP for free but need credits to view (although the 1881 is actually free).

I'm getting nowhere with 1891, though.

sorry i thought id missed another way of looking
i ve done the tree search and e mailed 3 people on the renfrey s and about 40-60 people on the joseph davies no luck as of yet
thanks helen

anne marie that was so quick ive spent days looking what site did you use please dont say genes reunited lol

Helen, there's a dark green menu across the top of this page. There's a heading called "Search Trees" - click on that and fill in the boxes.

Here they are in 1881:

1881 census transcription details for: New Town, Penderry

Reg. District: Swansea Sub District: Llandilotalybont
Parish: Penderry Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: New Town, Penderry
County: Glamorganshire

RHENFREY, James Henry Head Married M 35 1846 Labourer (General) Blackwater Cornwall
RHENFREY, Catherine Wife Married F 31 1850 Twelve Heads Cornwall
RHENFREY, Samuel J Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar St Agnes Cornwall
RHENFREY, Mary E Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Swansea Glamorganshire Wales
RHENFREY, James H Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Swansea Glamorganshire Wales
RHENFREY, William F Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Swansea Glamorganshire Wales
RHENFREY, Edward Son Single M 2 1879 Penderry Swansea Glamorganshire Wales

liz 47 how do i do that sorry but im relatively new at this

anne marie thanks for the reconstruction and the reference it prior to 1901 that has stumped me
many thanks
helen