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My mother's maiden name is Cottee and married name is Crabtree.
All around Essex area is where I have been told the Cottee's originated from.

You are correct I believe as my Cottee line come from Essex and West Ham area.

But if you are looking for someone in particular you will need to give some details.

Your parents are Shirley (Cottee born 1935)and William Crabtree?
Its what comes up when I search for a marriage of those 2 surnames.

Her eldest sibling was??

Births Jun 1916
Cottee Alfred G Phillips W.Ham 4a 593


So this should be her parents marriage

Marriages Dec 1914
COTTEE Herbert G Phillips W. Ham 4a 845
Phillips Mary A E Cottee W.Ham 4a 845


Edit..Just to add that I doubt I am connected to you as my Cottee line should not really be Cottee as it came in through an illegitimate birth due to the mother having married a Cottee but then having children after seperating from Mr Cottee.

I will be away for a few days until Saturday but look forward to any reply that you may have made on my return Derek..

Fan

Hi Fan;
Thanks for your post; and YES that is my parents WILLIAM CRABTREE & SHIRLEY ISOBEL COTTEE, father was born March 10th 1945 I think.
My mother has told me of her father but thats it.
The est of Cottee line is non exhistant and looking for as much info as possible.
As far as I am aware there is also a BLANKS in cotte side.
Hope you get me as much info as possible.

Hope to hear from you soon.

check out a site I have with family names on, it may be helpful.

http://crabtreeengland.familytreeguide.com/tree_index.php

Derek G Crabtree

Although the first names are round the other way this is the only birth I can see of a Herbert Cottee with another name beginning with G:-

Name: George Herbert Cottee
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Maldon (1837-1972)
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 387

Kath. x

Just checked my threads before the off.
Will get back to you on Saturday Derek.
I checked for all Cottee postings on here and there are only 5 !

So it would seem we are in an elite group.

My grandmother was born a Cottee,but her mother was with another man by then and had to reg her as Cottee as she was still married to Mr Cottee.
He was from Colchester but Nan was born in West Ham.
Her older sister ,my great aunt Kit was a REAL Cottee,I have her BC that says Mr Cottee was her father.

Last name: Cottee
This interesting surname of French origin is a metonymic occupational name for a maker of chain mail, deriving from the Old French "cot(t)e" meaning "coat of mail". It is unlikely to have been a nickname for a wearer of a coat of mail, since only the richest classes, who already had distinguished family names of their own, could afford to be so well protected in a garment which required many hours of skilled labour to construct. The surname dates back to the mid 16th Century, (see below). Further recordings include one Barthra Cottye who married Elyzabeth Hyde on June 15th 1598, in London. Thomas Cottee married Anne Pepys on May 28th 1708, at St. Benet's, Paul's Wharf, London, and Elizabeth, daughter of George and Mary Cottee, was christened in 1772, at Christ Church Spitalfields, Stepney. One Elizabeth Cottee married Cottleb Sucher on December 15th 1794, at St. Anne Soho, Westminster. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Peter Cottye married Sisley Rayner, which was dated 1568, London, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1, known as "Good Queen Bess", 1558 - 1603. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Cottee#ixzz0zXZX5CUr

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Husband's Name
Alfred COTTEE (AFN:CV27-6C) Pedigree

Born: Abt. 1839 Place:

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Wife's Name
Harriet Maria BLANKS (AFN:CV27-7J) Pedigree

Born: Abt. 1843 Place:
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Children

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1. Sex Name
M Herbert Charles COTTEE (AFN:4TFX-02) Pedigree

Born: 3 Sep 1865 Place: Buttsbury, Essex, England

ABRAHAM COTTEE Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 MAY 1787 Little Braxted, Essex, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN COTTEE Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

61. Charles COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Durham
Head Gender: Male Birth: Unknown, Essex, England 1839

64. Charles COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex
Head Gender: Male Birth: Maldon, Essex, England 1846

65. Patience COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1815
Wife Gender: Female Birth: Colchester, Essex, England

66. Josiah COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1836
Lodger Gender: Male Birth: Great Totham, Essex, England

67. Joseph COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1836
Head Gender: Male Birth: Burnham, Essex, England

68. Eliza COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex1861
Wife Gender: Female Birth: Messing, Essex, England

69. Fredk COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1865
Son Gender: Male Birth: Wighborough, Essex, England

70. Arthur COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1867
Son Gender: Male Birth: Wighborough, Essex, England

71. Willm COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1869
Son Gender: Male Birth: Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England

72. Alfred COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1870
Son Gender: Male Birth: Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England

73. Ada COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1873
Daur Gender: Female Birth: Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England

74. Emily COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex 1875
Daur Gender: Female Birth: Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England

75. Elizath COTTEE - 1881 British Census / Essex
Daur Gender: Female Birth: Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England

1881

Joseph COTTEE Head M Male 45 Burnham, Essex, England Labourer
Eliza COTTEE Wife M Female 45 Messing, Essex, England
Fredk COTTEE Son U Male 20 Wighborough, Essex, England Labourer
Arthur COTTEE Son Male 16 Wighborough, Essex, England Labourer
Willm COTTEE Son Male 14 Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England Labourer
Alfred COTTEE Son Male 12 Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England Scholar
Ada COTTEE Daur Female 11 Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England Scholar
Emily COTTEE Daur Female 8 Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England Scholar
Elizath COTTEE Daur Female 6 Tolleshunt Knights, Essex, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Tiptree
Census Place Tollesbury, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341429
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1778 / 36
Page Number 16

1881

John William COTTEE M Male 34 Springfield, Essex, England Solicitors Managing Clerk
Mary Ann COTTEE M Female 35 Ramsden Crays, Essex, England
Ruth Lydia COTTEE Female 7 Brighton, Sussex, England Scholar
Mary Elizabeth COTTEE Female 5 Springfield, Essex, England Scholar
Sanuel William COTTEE Male 3 Springfield, Essex, England
Rosa Edith COTTEE Female 1 m Chelmsford, Essex, England
William Pettican COTTEE W Male 64 Danbury, Essex, England Retired Watchmaker
Emma Winifred RIDGEWELL U Female 16 Purleigh, Essex, England General Servt
Elizabeth BURTON U Female 48 Chelmsford, Essex, England Monthly Nurse


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Source Information:
Dwelling 2 Claremont Ter Mildmay Road
Census Place Chelmsford, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341424
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1763 / 72
Page Number 33

1881

William COTTEE Head M Male 66 Great Braxted, Essex, England Laborer
Mary E. COTTEE Daur U Female 19 Great Totham, Essex, England
Charles COTTEE Son Male 13 Great Totham, Essex, England Laborer


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Source Information:
Dwelling Nr Compasses Inn
Census Place Great Totham, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341429
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1777 / 44
Page Number 4

1881

James COTTEE Head M Male 46 Great Braxted, Essex, England Butcher
Emily J. COTTEE Wife M Female 42 Inworth, Essex, England
Charles COTTEE Son U Male 21 Great Braxted, Essex, England Ag Labr
William A. COTTEE Son U Male 11 Great Braxted, Essex, England Scholar
Julia E. COTTEE Dau U Female 7 Great Braxted, Essex, England Scholar
Elener COTTEE Dau U Female 9 m Great Braxted, Essex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Village
Census Place Great Braxted, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341429
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1777 / 76
Page Number 1

Hi Derek.
Got back home earlier today.


You need to send for the marriage cert of your grandparents really if you only know your grandfathers name,but was your grandmother Mary Phillips?

Marriages Dec 1914
COTTEE Herbert G Phillips W. Ham 4a 845
Phillips Mary A E Cottee W.Ham 4a 845

There is this ww1 record on Ancsestry that is that 1882 birth that Kath posted I believe and if he is your grandfather it would be strange as he says his wife was Frances May Flick and they married on Sept 24th 1914 and have no children at the time he enlisted.


Marriages Sep 1914
Cottee George H Flick Rochford 4a 1445
Flick Frances M Cottee Rochford 4a 1445
Flick Francis M Cottee Rochford 4a 1445



British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about George Herbert Cottee
Name: George Herbert Cottee
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Age at Enlistment: 33
Residence: 6 Castle Road, Rayleigh
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 6473
Regiment Name: Gloucestershire Regiment
Number of Images: 15


I have found him on 1911 and 1901 for sure as Herbert George and Herbert G and it all ties in with him being the 1882 birth posted by Kath with what info he has given on his WW1records.

So it would seem we have 2 different men with the same name?

His marriage cert to Mary Phillips if she is your mothers mother is a must for HIS fathers name I would say,and also for his age on marriage and occupation.


You need to give all the info you have on Herbert George Cottee.
Is this his death?

Name: Herbert G Cottee
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 60
Registration district: Essex South Western
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 192

Because if so this I think is his birth reg and has been mistranscribed on ...freebmd...as I have checked the index and it is Cottee on that..
It is not on Ancestry at all.

Births Jun 1887
Cottea Herbert George Fulham 1a 208


Which also checks out with the 1891 census.

COTTEE, Alfred H Head Married M 34 1857 Agent Prudential
Buttsbury
Essex
COTTEE, Caroline M Wife Married F 35 1856
Wandsworth
Middlesex
COTTEE, Daisy C Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Fulham
Middlesex
COTTEE, Alfred L Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Hammersmith
Middlesex
COTTEE, Herbert G Son M 3 1888
Hammersmith
Middlesex

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
St Paul Hammersmith Enumeration District:
41 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Lukes

Civil Parish:
Hammersmith Municipal Borough:
Address:
71, Gayford Road, Hammersmith County:
London


I also note that his eldest son born in 1916 was named Alfred,the same as the fathers name on this census.

If only you had told me about this thread Derek, I hate doing stuff by pm

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and where is Derek - have I been wasting my time on this thread?

And if you have 2 threads /posts going on the Cottee family then I am out.

I took an interest in this as it is one of my family surnames which I find few and far between as I have mainly uncommon ones.

So what have you been PMing Ja...x?
Why by PM and not on a thread?

Pm'd you Fans I had no idea there was a thread or why I was pm'd in the first place

ja...x

just checked - there appears to be only one thread by this poster although there are several other Cottee postings going back a few years