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But both Thomas snr & jnr are plasterers in 1841. Is this correct?

Ozi

Thomas Thorne snr appears with his sister Mary Matilda Gibbon at Romford on the 1851 census. Can't see his daughter Mary or Elizabeth Mary on the 1851. On Thomas snr's son's marriage cert he is shown as an innkeeper. The 1851 shows him being a retired victualler and the 1843 PO directory has a Thomas Thorne under the Virginia Tavern off Cornhill in the city. All the bits seem to add up so far.

Jill and Ozibird

Yes that is the start of the trail. All the names were mis-transcribed. Here Mary Elizabeth uses her first name.

Possible?

Mary Elizabeth Thorn
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1820
Christening Date: 13 Sep 1820
Christening Place: Hastings, Sussex, England
Father's Name: Thomas Thorn
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mary
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Source Citation: Place: Hastings, Sussex, England; Collection: All Saints; -; Date Range: 1690 - 1864; Film Number: 1067172.

1841 - I think Ann is Ann Cox - servant ??

Dad is a plasterer?

Jill

What about this for Elizabeth in the 1841?

Elizabeth Thoren
[Elizabeth Thorne]
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen
Hundred: Hastings
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England


Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: St Mary in the Castle
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thoren 50
Elizabeth Thoren 20
Ann Thoren 20


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1107; Book: 10; Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen; County: Sussex; Enumeration District: 5A; Folio: 10; Page: 1; Line: 2; GSU roll: 464158.

Do you mean this connection?

1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Thoren
[Thomas Thorne]
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen
Hundred: Hastings
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Hastings
Sub-registration district: St Mary in the Castle
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thoren 50
Elizabeth Thoren 20
Ann Thoren 20

Jill

Thank you so much for all your efforts. I agree that considering the age and place of birth of the three eldest children Hastings seems the more likely. There is a CD Sussex Marriage Index produced by the Sussex Family History Society at the local library that may help?? or a trip over to Lewes PRO. Anyway thanks again.

Anthony

Baptism for Emma:

Emma Thorne Lawton
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1849
Christening Date: 16 Mar 1849
Christening Place: Hastings, Sussex, England
Father's Name: John Lawton
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mary
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Source Citation: Place: Hastings, Sussex, England; Collection: St Clement; -; Date Range: 1724 - 1869; Film Number: 1067177.

I'm struggling to spot anything else Anthony. They sound like a reasonably difficult bunch to track ...

I've tried all sorts of combos on the marriages - both FreeBMD and the London Ancestry ones, although if mum and eldest boy were both born in Hastings gut instinct tells me they likely married there too.

Jill

Well this looks like Emma Harry from 1851.

Births Mar 1849
LAWTON Emma Thorne Hastings 7 432

Jill

To be honest I don't know. I initially have been trying to prove the origins of her father Thomas Thorne born c1791 and linked his entry in the 1841: 1851 census to this entry on the 1861. Mary Elizabeth is proving to be a vital link in this process, as Hastings is a key common factor.

Do you think Elizabeth could have been married before - only I so want this to be your John ... (mistranscribed I know but what a name!)

Marriages Mar 1846 (>99%)
Anderson Rebecca Lambeth 4 273
Gee Henry Lambeth 4 273
** Holdaway Elizabeth Lambeth 4 273
Hood Sarah Lambeth 4 273
Langford John Lambeth 4 273
** Lawson John Fortunate Faithful Lambeth 4 273
Snead Harriett Lambeth 4 273
Wiley William John Lambeth 4 273

1851:

John William Lanton
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Hastings, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England



Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 4p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lanton 31
Elizabeth Lanton 30
John William Lanton 4
Elizabeth P Lanton 3
Emma Harry Lanton 2
James Clark 65



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1601; Folio: 551; Page: 14; GSU roll: 193499.

Can't see the family in 1851 ...

Just spotted John junior in Wandsworth prison in 1881!

Jill

Jill

I have not any more info other than those children shown on this census. A few of them also appear on the IGI

No - ignore my 1841 attempt - I've just found the 1861 and he's a coachman ...

Jill

In the 1841 he's a silk weaver

Jill

1841? If so, there was an older child - Marry or Mary

John Lawton
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Christ Church Spitalfields
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England



Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Artillery
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lawton 25
John Lawton 2
William Lawton 3 Mo
Mary Ann Lawton 25
Marry Ann Lawton 4


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 710; Book: 13; Civil Parish: Christ Church Spitalfields; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 23; Page: 5; Line: 12; GSU roll: 438820.

Definitely Lawton on the 1861 census